Picture frame problem

[aleale1]

1. Take an image and put it into the picture frame.

2. Choose “None” from the “Picture frame properties”.

3. Now try to resize the picture frame along with its image content by dragging any of the corners and sides with right and left mouse buttons pressed simultaneously.  

4. As a result, you can’t prevent it from rotation — it is by design.

But how just to resize without rotation?! There is no way to do so if you need to ignore the additional bottom right corner handle, which limits functionality!

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, aleale1 said:

But how just to resize without rotation?! There is no way to do so if you need to ignore the additional bottom right corner handle, which limits functionality!

Just use the left-mouse and drag any attached corner handle, as you would for resizing any frame.

(And in my experience, Picture Frames don't have the extra, detached, corner handle that is used for scaling the content along with the frame Edit: But I see that some do get it for some reason. Just ignore it, and use the one above it to the left, if you want to drag downward to the right.)

[Move Along People]

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[walt.farrell]

Thanks, @haakoo, but I don't get the scaling handle:

I wonder why you (and apparently @aleale1) get one, and I don't.

 

[Move Along People]

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[walt.farrell]

15 minutes ago, haakoo said:

After some re-arranging the containing image it shows the handle after you switch back to the pictureframe

Thanks.

[carl123]

11 hours ago, aleale1 said:

4. As a result, you can’t prevent it from rotation — it is by design.

Yes, with a frame handle selected the hint line says...

RightMouse to Resize and Rotate

[aleale1]

5 hours ago, carl123 said:

Yes, with a frame handle selected the hint line says...

RightMouse to Resize and Rotate

So my suggestion is to make it possible to resize without rotation. 

[walt.farrell]

1 minute ago, aleale1 said:

So my suggestion is to make it possible to resize without rotation. 

You do that (as I said) by using only the left-mouse button to drag one of the corner nodes attached to the frame.

[aleale1]

6 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

You do that (as I said) by using only the left-mouse button to drag one of the corner nodes attached to the frame.

Not at all. As I mentioned before,  choose “None” from the “Picture frame properties” and you'll get a problem. By dragging one of the corner nodes you'll resize frame without content.

[walt.farrell]

Just now, aleale1 said:

No at all. As I mentioned before,  choose “None” from the “Picture frame properties” and you'll get a problem.

I don't get a problem. But I'm not sure how you got your picture frame to have the detached handle on the lower right. My picture frames don't have that, and maybe it's significant.

What problem do you get when you use the left-mouse button, and not the right-mouse button? Can you provide some details or a recording?

Can you provide a sample document (.afpub file) that demonstrates the problem?

[aleale1]

3 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure how you got your picture frame to have the detached handle on the lower right.

To have the detached handle on the lower right you need to set your picture frame properties to "NONE" (Choose fly out, named "Properties", on the tool bar).

[walt.farrell]

32 minutes ago, aleale1 said:

To have the detached handle on the lower right you need to set your picture frame properties to "NONE" (Choose fly out, named "Properties", on the tool bar).

Thank you. I thought I had done that, but I was mistaken.

However, one can still resize the Picture Frame using the left-mouse button and dragging any of the attached corner nodes, so I still don't understand what problem you have.

Original (with Picture Frame set to None):

Dragging the lower-right node that is attached to the frame (not the one that is detached from the frame) with the Move Tool gives this, as I would expect:

On the other hand, dragging the lower-right detached node (the scaling handle) gives this, again as I would expect, since that node's purpose is scale the frame content along with the frame:

[aleale1]

38 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

since that node's purpose is scale the frame content along with the frame

That's right. And what I propose is to have the opportunity to scale the frame content along with the frame by pulling any other node in any direction.

[walt.farrell]

20 minutes ago, aleale1 said:

That's right. And what I propose is to have the opportunity to scale the frame content along with the frame by pulling any other node in any direction.

There is a reason the scaling handle is separate. In many cases one will want to scale the frame for an object (e.g. frame text, or a shape containing another shape) without scaling the contents of the frame.

But if you're proposing that scaling be possible with the other nodes, then that is not a "problem" (bug), but a feature request.

In any case, I think what you may really want is to set the frame properties to either Scale to Maximum Fit or Scale to Minimum Fit. Then any node you use to resize the frame will also resize the image in it automatically. You're only having your problem, I think, because you chose "None". Using one of the others gives you the function (drag by any node to rescale the contents) that you're asking for.

[aleale1]

8 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

In any case, I think what you may really want is to set the frame properties to either Scale to Maximum Fit or Scale to Minimum Fit.

In many cases, while designing, you do not use Maximum Fit or Minimum Fit, because you crop an image up to your need, enlarging the image in the frame in various directions and cutting off unnecessary parts.

[walt.farrell]

Just now, aleale1 said:

In many cases, while designing, you do not use Maximum Fit or Minimum Fit, because you crop an image up to your need, enlarging the image in the frame in various directions and cutting off unnecessary parts.

OK. I would probably scale to maximum or minimum, and adjust the frame size, and then move the image around in the frame.

But everyone has their own workflow.

Again, only the scaling handle is designed to scale the content along with the frame, and this is consistent across all object types in the Affinity Suite. For now, if you need to use NONE, and then scale both the frame and the content, you need to use that scaling handle. Then you can drag the frame to reposition it if needed.

And the fact that the other nodes don't work that way is not a problem or bug. It is the intended design. If you want to change that it would be more appropriate to post a topic in the Feature Requests section of the forums, in my opinion.