joe_l Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 I stumbled upon this today. Creating two text frames lying on each other. One has a text wrap applied, the other not. When I now make the frame with the text wrap invisible, the text wrap is still calculated. Is this by design? I would say, that INVISIBLE elements should have NO impact on a layout. Quote ---------- Windows 10 / 11, Complete Suite Retail and Beta
carl123 Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 It's been raised before and it's by design joe_l 1 Quote To save time I am currently using an automated AI to reply to some posts on this forum. If any of "my" posts are wrong or appear to be total b*ll*cks they are the ones generated by the AI. If correct they were probably mine. I apologise for any mistakes made by my AI - I'm sure it will improve with time.
walt.farrell Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 If hiding an object made the whole layout change unpredictably that would be quite jarring. In fact, in that case, hiding an object on one page might ripple through to the end of the document in ways you didn't expect, and require a complete re-inspection and fix up of everything that follows. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.5, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.5
joe_l Posted October 17, 2024 Author Posted October 17, 2024 46 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: If hiding an object made the whole layout change unpredictably Who said unpredictably? I always quite often sometimes know what I do. From your own experience, how often did hiding an object ruined your layout? I must confess, that my experiments were not based on a real use case. Quote ---------- Windows 10 / 11, Complete Suite Retail and Beta
GarryP Posted October 17, 2024 Posted October 17, 2024 Serif seems to have made the decision that hiding a layer doesn’t stop that layer from participating in the text flow. This means that you can temporarily make the images on a page invisible, for example, so you can concentrate on the text without the overall text flow being changed. If this was not done, every time you changed the visibility of a layer that was participating in the text flow, the whole of the text ‘after’ that layer may need to be re-positioned, as Walt said above. I can see some reasons why someone might want to exclude a layer from participation in the text flow when hiding it but I think that sort of thing would be something for a feature request – maybe an “Exclude from Text Flow” option somewhere in the Layers Panel. joe_l 1 Quote
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