Violetcascade Posted June 13, 2024 Posted June 13, 2024 Hi so browsing the forums I know I’m not alone in this and it appears to be a 2.5 bug across all platforms but i know primarily using the iPad version of designer I’m stuck with it until it can be fixed as I can’t revert back to a previous version that worked, meaning I’m not able to complete my clients current projects that require clean line work which is all of them unless i edit every single point 🥲 I’ve tried a few things I’d seen recommended: working on larger files and expanding currently still makes them wonky in comparison to v2.4 and earlier No tapers will still create non even points on the ends Different files I created in v2.4 look so janky when expanding strokes now (added example in attached file) Working with different line weights Toggled snapping I design enamel pins so many of the items I make are to scale or as close to meaning 0.5 widths and tapered lines is very important and the ends being buggy is a complete workflow stopper as I’m sure other designers can agree hopefully this gets fixed really soon, as I know it’s a bug because apart from updating no changes to my workflow have been made on my end but now having to smooth out each curve which can take upwards of an hour depending on the project size. The attached artwork is some tests I’ve run and examples, please don’t use it outside of bug testing! 2.5 has broken everything.afdesign Quote
Dan C Posted June 13, 2024 Posted June 13, 2024 Welcome to the Affinity Forums & thanks for your report @Violetcascade! I can confirm that I'm able to replicate this issue with your file and our team are aware of a few issues with Expand Stroke in 2.5.x - so I'll be sure to update the development log with your report and file for testing now. I hope this helps Violetcascade 1 Quote
Violetcascade Posted June 13, 2024 Author Posted June 13, 2024 Thanks @Dan C hope it gets fixed soon! 😬 Quote
Violetcascade Posted June 29, 2024 Author Posted June 29, 2024 Caps of lines still remain broken in the 2.5.3 update ;-; Quote
Dan C Posted July 1, 2024 Posted July 1, 2024 Sorry to hear this @Violetcascade - I've 'bumped' the development report to bring it to our teams attention once again! Quote
Violetcascade Posted July 1, 2024 Author Posted July 1, 2024 @Dan C it appears “autoclose” with the pencil tool is down as well ;o; Thanks Dan! I understand they’d be working super hard on lots of bugs but this affects so much of the program if not all of it. Currently pen tool, pencil, text and shapes and there’s no way to export into another program that can fix the ends without the lines being expanded, I’ve tried lots of workarounds as I have some work due soon but no luck so far I’ve just manually been adjusting the ends thankfully on simple designs. Version 1 obviously not being updated anymore still has the ability to expand caps round but you can’t open v2 files in it, I even considered getting illustrator for the time being but I don’t want to go back to Adobe much less give them money sorry for the rambling if you want to know what else I’ve tried of course I can tell you! I do kind of wonder if for iPad listing the previous version as an alternative app download might be an option 🤔 I’m trying to think about how to avoid this in the future because it’s so important for the software Quote
Dan C Posted July 1, 2024 Posted July 1, 2024 2 minutes ago, Violetcascade said: it appears “autoclose” with the pencil tool is down as well ;o; The autoclose option for the Pencil was changed in v2.5.x, the following is from the beta thread where these changes were tested: On 4/16/2024 at 2:29 PM, Ash said: Secondly as has been commonly requested we have now changed the "Auto-close" method so that when you have that option checked in the context toolbar the curve only closes when you are near to the start point of the curve being drawn. You will now get an indicator when you are in range of the start position of the curve so you know when a curve will be auto-closed. So please double check this as the tool should be working, but the expectations for using this option may have changed from pervious use. If you're still having trouble with the tool, please provide clear steps of your workflow and screenshots or a screen recording showing this for me and I can investigate further 5 minutes ago, Violetcascade said: I understand they’d be working super hard on lots of bugs but this affects so much of the program if not all of it. Currently pen tool, pencil, text and shapes and there’s no way to export into another program that can fix the ends without the lines being expanded, I’ve tried lots of workarounds as I have some work due soon but no luck so far I’ve just manually been adjusting the ends thankfully on simple designs. Version 1 obviously not being updated anymore still has the ability to expand caps round but you can’t open v2 files in it, I even considered getting illustrator for the time being but I don’t want to go back to Adobe much less give them money sorry for the rambling if you want to know what else I’ve tried of course I can tell you! I do kind of wonder if for iPad listing the previous version as an alternative app download might be an option 🤔 I’m trying to think about how to avoid this in the future because it’s so important for the software I certainly understand and I'm sorry to hear this - these issues have been logged as high priority with our team, but we're unable to provide specific estimates or timescales for when this may be fixed at this time. I will however be sure to pass your feedback through regarding the iPad versions, as we understand it is not ideal that Apple only allow users the most recent update as an installation option! Quote
Violetcascade Posted July 1, 2024 Author Posted July 1, 2024 41 minutes ago, Dan C said: The autoclose option for the Pencil was changed in v2.5.x, the following is from the beta thread where these changes were tested: So please double check this as the tool should be working, but the expectations for using this option may have changed from pervious use. If you're still having trouble with the tool, please provide clear steps of your workflow and screenshots or a screen recording showing this for me and I can investigate further I certainly understand and I'm sorry to hear this - these issues have been logged as high priority with our team, but we're unable to provide specific estimates or timescales for when this may be fixed at this time. I will however be sure to pass your feedback through regarding the iPad versions, as we understand it is not ideal that Apple only allow users the most recent update as an installation option! It seems to work in the new way designed but only occasionally, the red circle that says it’ll Autoclose appears but it doesn’t close it off unless I draw all the way to the other point and then the smoothing changes the shape but I don’t mind the smoothing as much as not having closed shapes, all I’m doing is drawing organic circles usually or organic teardrop shapes. thank you i think being able to revert from a 2.5 to say 2.4 if the updates will be changing a lot of things like this one would give users the option to go back if workflow destroying bugs without a eta for fixes pop up like this or even be a couple versions behind the main one as i feel like even though I’m not currently beta testing I’m using the beta test version instead of the actual version. Quote
irokiee Posted July 1, 2024 Posted July 1, 2024 I have something similar on PC... Violetcascade 1 Quote
Violetcascade Posted July 1, 2024 Author Posted July 1, 2024 @irokiee it’s all versions all apps with all paths in 2.5.X 😬 Mainly with pressure sensitivity sure but I just really hope it’s as urgent on the list as it can possibly be because functionally it’s broken the affinity software entirely, you can’t currently expand or export anything without it messing up created designs 3: Quote
Dan C Posted July 2, 2024 Posted July 2, 2024 On 7/1/2024 at 4:44 PM, irokiee said: I have something similar on PC... The issue being reported here is specific to 2.5.x - as it is a regression over 2.4.2. I can see your linked thread was reported in Dec '22 and therefore is not related to specific above report. Equally, opening your .afdesign file provided in the latest update (2.5.3) and exporting to PDF provides the expected results, where the outlines are retained in the exported file: Therefore the issue you reported in that thread is seemingly resolved in the latest update! irokiee 1 Quote
Violetcascade Posted July 2, 2024 Author Posted July 2, 2024 @Dan C I was able to help one of my designer friends revert back to 2.4.2 on her Mac, I obviously won’t keep pushing the subject i just so wish there was a way to revert on iPad even if it’s just through a uh beta key version I don’t know how fees work on the App Store or options there but I’m getting rather stressed for my work i need to get done. the 2.5.3 has made the lines get a bit wonkier uh 2.5.2 made them wonky on expansion but the blue path line remained centred now it’s getting thrown off and sometimes bubbling at the ends, if I come across this again I’ll record a video of it too but for now here’s video of the line reacting weirdly when playing with the tapering RPReplay_Final1719941736.mp4 Quote
irokiee Posted July 2, 2024 Posted July 2, 2024 2 hours ago, Dan C said: Opisywany tutaj problem dotyczy wyłącznie wersji 2.5.x , gdyż stanowi regresję w stosunku do wersji 2.4.2. Widzę, że podlinkowany wątek został zgłoszony w grudniu 2022 r., więc nie ma związku ze konkretnym powyższym zgłoszeniem . Podobnie otwarcie pliku .afdesign dostarczonego w najnowszej aktualizacji (2.5.3) i wyeksportowanie go do formatu PDF zapewnia oczekiwane rezultaty, przy czym kontury zostają zachowane w wyeksportowanym pliku: Wygląda więc na to, że problem, który zgłosiłeś w tamtym wątku, został rozwiązany w najnowszej aktualizacji! Indeed... but I'm ashamed - I'm sorry Quote
Dan C Posted July 3, 2024 Posted July 3, 2024 20 hours ago, irokiee said: Indeed... but I'm ashamed - I'm sorry No problem at all, I'm just glad to see this issue has been fixed for your file in this previous report __________________________ 22 hours ago, Violetcascade said: I was able to help one of my designer friends revert back to 2.4.2 on her Mac, I obviously won’t keep pushing the subject i just so wish there was a way to revert on iPad even if it’s just through a uh beta key version I don’t know how fees work on the App Store or options there but I’m getting rather stressed for my work i need to get done. I certainly understand and as mentioned I've passed this feedback through to our team here - we're going to look at our possible options and discuss these with Apple directly. As I understand it, even for a beta ('Preflight') version of the Affinity iPad apps, this beta version would have to be a more updated version number than the current retail version - so we're simply not allowed to re-released v2.4.2 as a 'beta' when the current release version is v2.5.3, etc. Therefore at this time we'd either have to support sideloading outside of the iPad App Store, or perhaps a separate hidden product on the iPad App Store that could perhaps remain a major version behind the retail version - but at this time this is only speculation from myself and will require careful consideration from both our development side and Apple distribution side. 22 hours ago, Violetcascade said: the 2.5.3 has made the lines get a bit wonkier uh 2.5.2 made them wonky on expansion but the blue path line remained centred now it’s getting thrown off and sometimes bubbling at the ends, if I come across this again I’ll record a video of it too but for now here’s video of the line reacting weirdly when playing with the tapering Many thanks for your recording provided - I believe this behaviour may be occurring due to your current Mitre Limit value in the Stroke Studio. If you increase this to 5, does the stroke & pressure now render as expected? If so, I can confirm this is a bug which is already logged with our developers (and affects both Desktop & iPad versions), so I'll be sure to 'bump' this with the team for you now Quote
AlexMzn Posted July 4, 2024 Posted July 4, 2024 Please also note the problem of disappearing lines when expanding from my topic (in version 2.5.3 the lines disappear exactly the same way😞 Violetcascade 1 Quote
Dan C Posted July 5, 2024 Posted July 5, 2024 Sorry to see this @AlesMZ! I have asked the member of staff to inspect your file and respond to your thread ASAP - our sincerest apologies for the delay. AlexMzn 1 Quote
Violetcascade Posted July 16, 2024 Author Posted July 16, 2024 Edit: spoke too soon still broken just less broken 😔 ———- Just updated to 2.5.4 😭 and after all this time the lines are fixed!! Aaa I repeat lines are fixed I’m so happy 🥹 I’ll never update my app again 😭 (jkjk) Dan C and Fun Art Sam 2 Quote
AlexMzn Posted July 19, 2024 Posted July 19, 2024 I have updated to version 2.5.4.2572. Yes, many vector strokes that were disappearing in versions 2.5.2 and 2.5.3 are no longer disappearing during expand. However, a small part of vector strokes are still disappearing! And also when exporting to SVG, these missing strokes are still rasterized as well. So I still need to be careful and check the final SVG vector file that I will give to the client. Also, I still see that if you make the tip property rounded, the tip of the stroke is expanded with some artifacts. _____ I found a way how to check and conquer the disappearing strokes: 1. When exporting to SVG, I set the rasterization of elements with unsupported properties to 20 pixels. Then I open that SVG in AffDesigner or any other vector editor. And I see the problematic strokes as low quality rasters. I save this SVG under the name Vector#1.svg 2. Then I go back to AffDesigner and modify these problematic strokes a little bit, like bending a little bit or moving some node by 0.01mm. And I generate a new SVG. In the new SVG, other strokes usually start glitching. So I calmly use it as a donor and take the new correct strokes from it and copy them into the Vector#1.svg file in place of the rasterized strokes. Voila! This way I get a fully vectorized and guaranteed whole and correct SVG from AffDesigner. Violetcascade 1 Quote
AlexMzn Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 In anticipation of the next update, I just want to remind for the developers of “AD for iPad” that the problem of unpredictable behavior of some ordinary pencil strokes with a modified stroke profile (e.g. in the form of a sharp cone) is still not completely solved. For some reason AD does not recognize some of them as its own objects and they are either rasterized when exporting a file to svg/eps, or just disappear when Expand is applied to them. Please fix this problem. Quote
RedBeard Posted November 5, 2024 Posted November 5, 2024 This is such a basic function. Why hasn't this been fixed yet? This is making Designer pretty much useless in a professional environment. Juhani and wwrye888 2 Quote
Juhani Posted November 6, 2024 Posted November 6, 2024 On 11/5/2024 at 11:41 PM, RedBeard said: This is making Designer pretty much useless in a professional environment. Absolutely! Decided to do a logo project for the first time in Designer and just discovered that going from strokes to outlines completely messes up my linework, especially the ends of open curves. Tried to get my strokes to Illustrator to expand them there but getting strokes as strokes out of Designer also seems to be impossible. Ended up spending ton of extra time going over the jagged outlines and smoothed them out by hand. Btw expanding text to outlines does not seem to have any issues. But yeah, massively disappointed in running into these kinds of bugs in the middle of actual client job. Quote Affinity 2.6.0 Beta | macOS Sequoia 15.2 | MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro/16GB (2021) | XPPen Artist Pro 16 (Gen 2)
AlexMzn Posted November 21, 2024 Posted November 21, 2024 I spent about a week drawing a hatched illustration on the iPad. A couple hundred strokes. This morning the client agreed on it and I converted it to SVG to send to the client. And... ended up sitting on the final file for about 3 hours. Because the lines in AffDesigner disappear or are rasterized when exporting to SVG, and the tips of some lines from sharp lines become rounded with a loop at the tip. It all has to be checked and caught by hand, like a sapper. I am very very very much looking forward to the update and bug fixes. Quote
El333 Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Is there a fix for this yet? Have just upgraded to 2.5 after an update to Mac OS Sequoia and having file preview icons on my desktop not working, only to find that now I can't expand strokes and get a smooth line. Affinity is now unfortunately unusable for me as this is the function I use for pretty much every file. Quote
Juhani Posted January 9 Posted January 9 Affinity's vector capabilities are nothing short of a disaster at the moment for any professional work. Given the current pace of the development and the radio silence from Serif about these critical bugs, I don't think this will change any time soon. Check back next year. In the meantime, if you're working on macOS or Windows, VectorStyler is sort of a hidden gem out there for professional vector work, much more capable than Designer and just keeps giving the more you go into it. The fact that it's being developed by a single developer (who is also very responsive in the VectorStyler forum) is just insane. Boldlinedesign 1 Quote Affinity 2.6.0 Beta | macOS Sequoia 15.2 | MacBook Pro 14" M1 Pro/16GB (2021) | XPPen Artist Pro 16 (Gen 2)
AlexMzn Posted January 13 Posted January 13 Well folks, today is January 13, 2025, the problems with hand drawing sketchy lines with pencil have not been solved in almost any way for a long time. Still the tips in the rounded nibs get sharp, or turn into micro loops, as well as strokes are rasterized or just disappear. As I understand, the application doesn't understand some of its own strokes, so when expanding and exporting to EPS/SVG, it rasterizes them or deletes them, or changes the tips. It's strange that the developers don't address these issues for iPad users. It's very, very frustrating. The app is very powerful, but it is problematic to work confidently in the art style of sketching or hatching, because at the end of each illustration the artist will be catch and rework glitches in the exported EPS/SVG. Quote
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