Baseline grid

[mogsie]

I don't know if this is a bug, or I am misunderstanding how to change the baseline grid. It seems to be stuck on whatever it originally found in the Normal style, but if I try to change it when I change the leading in my Normal stye, it refuses to budge. If I started with a leading of 14, it keeps reverting to that no matter what I put in in the View/BaselineGrid dialog, and it doesn't bear any relationship to the Normal style when I change that. I have looked for somewhere else to change it, but can't find anything.

[walt.farrell]

The Paragraph panel, Text Frame panel, and Text Style can all specify different Baseline Grid settings.

If that doesn't help, a sample document with the issue would let us diagnose it further.

[mogsie]

The Paragraph panel and the Text style only offer "align to baseline grid". I don't want to do that. There is no way to change the baseline grid if I decide to change the leading in my Normal style.

The Text Frame offers "Use independent baseline grid", which obviously would have to be applied to the master page. So I put in an independent baseline grid, which finally allows me to change the leading in the baseline grid to match the new leading in my Normal style. But now I have two competing baseline grids, my new one and the one it decided originally which seems to be fixed. I have to go into View/baseline grid and switch off "use basline grid".

I can do it now that I know how, but it shouldn't be this complicated. Surely it should be possible to change the leading of the baseline grid in View/Baseline grid.

[walt.farrell]

10 minutes ago, mogsie said:

Surely it should be possible to change the leading of the baseline grid in View/Baseline grid.

 

11 minutes ago, mogsie said:

There is no way to change the baseline grid if I decide to change the leading in my Normal style.

Leading and the Baseline Grid are two separate specifications. Setting one will not change the other. You should be able to change the Leading (Paragraph setting) in your Text Style and also change the Baseline Grid setting (Baseline Grid Manager) but that is two operations to perform.

[Oufti]

1 hour ago, mogsie said:

I don't know if this is a bug, or I am misunderstanding how to change the baseline grid.

1 hour ago, mogsie said:

The Paragraph panel and the Text style only offer "align to baseline grid".

Let's say you have defined Baseline grid on 5 pt and your leading for the paragraph is set at 12 pt:

• If you tick the checkbox "[Force] Align to baseline grid" in the Paragraph panel, your lines will be aligned every 15 pt (the nearest multiple of 5 pt above 12, the leading defined). 
• If you untick the checkbox, your paragraph will respect the 12 pt expected between lines. 

In short, you'll want a correspondance between Leading (+ space before and space after paragraph) and Baseline grid values, otherwise you're probably better to not align this paragraph on the baseline grid.

[Old Bruce]

2 hours ago, mogsie said:

I don't know if this is a bug, or I am misunderstanding how to change the baseline grid. It seems to be stuck on whatever it originally found ....

The Baseline grid for the Document is controled by the Baseline Grid settings in View > Baseline Grid... Here is 5 point and 25 points.

[mogsie]

3 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

 

Leading and the Baseline Grid are two separate specifications. Setting one will not change the other. You should be able to change the Leading (Paragraph setting) in your Text Style and also change the Baseline Grid setting (Baseline Grid Manager) but that is two operations to perform.

I know that leading and the baseline grid are different things.  I have been used to setting the baseline grid so that I can see that the Normal style  is falling correctly, but not aligning to it.  I don't mean that it should change when I change the leading in my Normal style, I mean that I should be able to change the baseline grid if I decide to change the leading. But it seems I can't once it has set its mind to it.

Say I have a page with something like an indented quote in the middle of it with a tighter leading, I would like to see if the text after the indented quote is lining up correctly. That's what I use the baseline grid for. It's just a visual grid for me. I don't align to it.

[mogsie]

2 hours ago, Oufti said:

Let's say you have defined Baseline grid on 5 pt and your leading for the paragraph is set at 12 pt:

• If you tick the checkbox "[Force] Align to baseline grid" in the Paragraph panel, your lines will be aligned every 15 pt (the nearest multiple of 5 pt above 12, the leading defined). 
• If you untick the checkbox, your paragraph will respect the 12 pt expected between lines. 

In short, you'll want a correspondance between Leading (+ space before and space after paragraph) and Baseline grid values, otherwise you're probably better to not align this paragraph on the baseline grid.

I don't ever want to align to the baseline grid. I want to see the grid, and I want to set it to the size I want. I have been finding that it seems to be stuck with whatever it started with, and I can't seem to change it.

[walt.farrell]

Can you share a sample .afpub document that demonstrates the problem?

[Oufti]

1 hour ago, mogsie said:

I don't ever want to align to the baseline grid. I want to see the grid, and I want to set it to the size I want.

OK. Then : 

1) You will tick "Use a baseline grid" and "View the baseline grid" in View > Baseline grid, so you can see it.

2) But since you don't want your paragraphs to align on it, you can disable it for all the styles based on the default text style Base, by right-clicking on its style name in the Text styles panel to edit it and unticking "Align on baseline grid" in its style definition:

So you can set the paragraph leading and modify the grid spacing to whatever you want: they are not anymore related but you can see the baseline grid. 

[mogsie]

I created a file on my laptop, and I the baseline grid wasn't visible at all. I put in an additional "independent baseline grid" in the Text frame and still nothing visible.  My laptop is running MacOS 14.1.2 Sonoma. So maybe this is another Sonoma thing. But just now I was able to change the colour and points in the View/Basline grid, which I couldn't do earlier. But the baseline was just not visible at all.

I sent myself the file and went to my desktop, which is running 13.2.1 Ventura. I opened the same file, and everything works there. So it looks like Sonoma is the culprit and I should have been able to do what I expected earlier today. Fortunately, my desktop is the computer I will be using for a job next week.

[Old Bruce]

5 minutes ago, mogsie said:

I created a file on my laptop, and I the baseline grid wasn't visible at all. I put in an additional "independent baseline grid" in the Text frame and still nothing visible.

You need to have the View > Show Baseline Grid checked.

You need to have the Use Baseline Grid turned on in View > Baseline Grid... 

These are most likely per machine, not document.

 

[Oufti]

Also, depending on the display threshold you choose, you could have to zoom in to see the grid lines appear…

(In my screenshot, I set it to 50%, so when viewing at this zoom and above, like 60%, I see the grid. When it's smaller than 50%, grid is hidden.)

 

    https://affinity.help/publisher2/en-US.lproj/pages/DesignAids/baselineGrids.html 

[mogsie]

That was it. Thanks. I zoomed in and it appeared.  I'll need to change the threshold.