MxHeppa Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 there is no possiblity use swatches in gradients? and way when i change swatch also gradients change. Also gradient it seems cannot be global? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 11 minutes ago, MxHeppa said: there is no possiblity use swatches in gradients? Of course you can, but… 12 minutes ago, MxHeppa said: and way when i change swatch also gradients change. Only "simple" swatches, not global. 12 minutes ago, MxHeppa said: Also gradient it seems cannot be global? Sadly, nope. As I have posted recently somewhere: gradients still seem to be somewhat of a "stepchild" to Serif. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 You can have global swatches as stop colors in gradients, and when editing color definitions of those swatches, gradients change accordingly -- this works at least on Windows (and 2.x versions). loukash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 By the way, at least you can use spot color swatches in gradients. Those will be also correctly exported for prepress to PDF/X if needed. (Just tested with the latest v2.3.0 to be sure that no new bugs have been introduced. All good as it seems!) Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Just now, loukash said: By the way, at least you can use spot color swatches in gradients. Yes, the workaround you have demonstrated works but is very convoluted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, lacerto said: You can have have global swatches as stop colors in gradients, and when editing color definitions of those swatches, gradients change accordingly -- this works at least on Windows (and 2.x versions). Oh, I thought that doesn't work! But it does work on Mac, too. Perhaps I may have confused it with the fact that we can't have global gradient swatches. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Gradients really should have their own studio panel. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, loukash said: we can't have global gradient swatches. No, we can't. Nor can we have child tints as swatches that retain their dependency on a parent swatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, lacerto said: the workaround you have demonstrated Wasn't it more about overprinting? Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 hours ago, loukash said: Wasn't it more about overprinting? Sorry, I seem to be confusing -- or perhaps there was a thread once where both spot colors and overprinting [in context of gradients] were discussed, and really weird workarounds were invented! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Just now, lacerto said: there was a thread once where both spot colors and overprinting were discussed, and really weird workarounds were invented! Yeah, I know which one. I think I've even relinked to it just recently elsewhere. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MxHeppa Posted December 1, 2023 Author Share Posted December 1, 2023 test gradient beetween two pantone hues looks weird acrobat reader pro. luckily i need use swatches mainly normal rgb and cmyk colorus not spot colours. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 3 hours ago, MxHeppa said: test gradient beetween two pantone hues looks weird That might be the because spot colors don't overprint by default. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 17 hours ago, loukash said: That might be the because spot colors don't overprint by default. Do gradients need overprinting inks? I think their transition is produced via rasterisation. Here a sample of a spot colour gradient (spot set to overprint, ) and a CMYK gradient. Interestingly non of them appears to overprint in this PDF while plain spot colour does overprint (see the smaller centred rectangles). – Possibly the OP has with "looks weird in Acrobat" rather the bending in gradients in mind which occurs quite the same here for spot and cmyk gradient. Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Just now, thomaso said: Do gradients need overprinting inks? Sometimes, depending on the effect you want to achieve. And depending on the amount of bugs still left in Affinity apps concerning overprinting and gradients. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomaso Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 1 hour ago, loukash said: depending on the effect you want to achieve. Didn't we both refer to OP's "gradient beetween two pantone hues looks weird acrobat reader" – without any object underneath or wanted 'effect'? That made me assume that bending was meant as "weird" occurrence … which is independent of overprinting inks. Quote macOS 10.14.6 | MacBookPro Retina 15" | Eizo 27" | Affinity V1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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