[AD & AP Windows] Displayed dimensions of a 90° rotated object

[Guest]

Hello,

I've only just realized a strange thing: in the windows of the "Transform" tab of the studio the displayed dimensions of an object do not invert if the object is rotated 90 degrees.

The width and height displayed for the two objects remain similar rather than inverted.

This also applies to AP.

[R C-R]

That is because the object's height & width do not change if rotated or inverted, in the same way a physical objects height & width don't change if it is rotated or flipped over.

[Alfred]

If they were to swap the values for an object rotated by 90° (which would be unlike what happens with physical objects, as @R C-R has pointed out) what would happen at 45°, or 89° or 91°?

 

[Guest]

Hello, R -CR,

Thank you for the answer, I am well aware that the dimensions of the object itself do not change during rotation, I was talking about the real dimensions of the representation of the object turned on the work plane: if I base myself on the dimensions displayed to create an object of the same height and width, this new object will have the inverted dimensions.

[Guest]

Good morning, Alfred,

That's why I was only talking about rectangle and 90 degree rotation.

For a 29 degree rotation, for example, if I want to create an object of the same width as the space occupied by my rectangle, the original dimensions are not very useful to me.

It is true that I can use snapping but in my opinion, the display of the actual dimensions on the worktop would be a plus.

[R C-R]

11 minutes ago, reglico said:

I was talking about the real dimensions of the representation of the object turned on the work plane ...

The object's 'real' dimensions do not change no matter how its orientation is represented in the workspace. This is why you can rotate an object to any arbitrary angle without it changing shape. It would be quite annoying if it did not behave this way.

 

You know there is a "Reset Selection Box" button in the Context toolbar, right? It is just temporary but it does swap the dimensions.

[Alfred]

10 minutes ago, R C-R said:

You know there is a "Reset Selection Box" button in the Context toolbar, right? It is just temporary but it does swap the dimensions.

 

For some strange reason, seeing the phrase "Selection Box" (especially at this time of year!) always makes me think of this kind of thing:

 

 

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, R C-R said:

You know there is a "Reset Selection Box" button in the Context toolbar, right? It is just temporary but it does swap the dimensions.

Yes, I knew this function, but since the selected rectangle didn't have a selection frame (as in previous versions if I remember well), only its borders, I didn't use this button, I feel a little stupid.

 Thanks for the help with that.

[MikeW]

My opinion is that the Reset Selection Box button ought to actually reset the object. Not temporarily, but actually reset it for real.

[R C-R]

Just now, MikeW said:

My opinion is that the Reset Selection Box button ought to actually reset the object. Not temporarily, but actually reset it for real.

Why? That would make it a destructive process, which for safety's sake probably would require a confirm action of some sort, like an "Apply" button.

[MikeW]

How about because it is no longer the same aspect? 

 

It doesn't need confirmation. If I don't want it changed, I would just not click the button. 

[R C-R]

16 hours ago, MikeW said:

How about because it is no longer the same aspect? 

If you mean aspect ratio, it is invariant with respect to rotation on the canvas. It would be confusing if it were not. Consider for instance a rounded rectangle with different TL, TR, BL, & BR radii. If the selection box reset was permanent, what would those parameters refer to?

[MikeW]

5 hours ago, R C-R said:

If you mean aspect ratio, it is invariant with respect to rotation on the canvas. It would be confusing if it were not. Consider for instance a rounded rectangle with different TL, TR, BL, & BR radii. If the selection box reset was permanent, what would those parameters refer to?

 

AD could handle it like others do (e.g., CorelDraw). Once past a 45* CC threshold, for instance, the values change boxes. So what what top right is now top left, etc. though I think it would be better to change it at truly a 90* rotation.

 

One doesn't need to press the Reset Selection Box. But if one does, I would expect a permanent reset when clicking that button, not a "We reset the Selected Object's bounds temporarily because if you click off the object behind-the scenes have changed it again on you" button.

[R C-R]

8 minutes ago, MikeW said:

AD could handle it like others do (e.g., CorelDraw). Once past a 45* CC threshold, for instance, the values change boxes. So what what top right is now top left, etc. though I think it would be better to change it at truly a 90* rotation.

So not at 89° or 44° or whatever? I prefer that such things remain invariant. It is what I expect as a physical analog & much less confusing for me.

[MikeW]

1 minute ago, R C-R said:

So not at 89° or 44° or whatever? I prefer that such things remain invariant. It is what I expect as a physical analog & much less confusing for me.

 

That's easy. Don't press the reset button.

[R C-R]

2 hours ago, MikeW said:

That's easy. Don't press the reset button.

But there are times when I do want to use that button to temporarily change the selection box of a rotated object to vertical. It is very useful to have both available for doing certain kinds of distortions.

[MikeW]

I guess this type of distortion falls into the category of beauty is in the eye of the beholder. 

 

Just curious. I suspect that people have used this, er, capability, in real life situations. But have you? 

 

I do like how you have hunted for an example that supports your desire to leave it alone. I don't in 99.99% of what I do as there are other means to accomplish your simple example.

[R C-R]

2 minutes ago, MikeW said:

Just curious. I suspect that people have used this, er, capability, in real life situations. But have you? 

I would not call anything I do with it "real life" but I have used it for example to 'morph' the shape of the eyes of my crude cartoon character drawings. I export the different shapes for use in a 2D animation app. I don't know if there is an easier way to do that but I like that in effect I can toggle the selection box between canvas & object references to create the distortion effect I want.

[MikeW]

Thanks. That seems real life to me. Point was whether it is simply using the capability to understand what it does versus using a result in a work.