weird behaviour - text in Text Frame pushes down

[Dennison]

Has anyone else had this weird behaviour?

Weird behaviour - text in Text Frame is pushed down when Frame moved on the page.

I Added New Pages and moved objects from affected page to new page.  All seemed okay but when the file was reopened, the same weird behaviour was back.

Can't find anything hidden in the area of the page where the weird behaviour occurs.

Any suggestions?

 

Thanks.

[MikeTO]

Check that Paragraph > Flow Options > Start is not set to On Next Odd/Even Page - it should be set to Anywhere.

Turn on Show Special Characters to ensure you didn't accidentally add a bunch of paragraph breaks.

Check that there are no objects with text wrap enabled that could be interfering.

Good luck

[Dennison]

Thanks Mike.
I've checked all three suggestions it is none of these.  When I move the Text Frame away from the top 1/3 of the page, the issue goes away, ie. the text is not pushed down within the Text Frame.  But this is a new page with nothing added.

[Hangman]

Hi @Dennison,

I take it there's nothing hidden on the page with Text Wrap applied? That's the only way I can replicate the issue...

If not, can you upload the new page exhibiting the behaviour so we can figure out what is going on...

[Dennison]

That's exactly what's happening.  Apart from selecting a wide area to see if there is anything there, is there any specific way top check that there is nothing hidden?

I inserted new pages and moves the Text Frames but the symptom has returned. 

 

Thanks for your help

[Hangman]

2 minutes ago, Dennison said:

That's exactly what's happening.  Apart from selecting a wide area to see if there is anything there, is there any specific way top check that there is nothing hidden?

I think you're checking the obvious so nothing that immediately springs to mind...

Are you able to upload a sample file so we can take a look in case there is something less obvious triggering the behaviour?

[Dennison]

Thank you - I've deleted all the other 400+ pages in the book to isolate the page where the weird behaviour still occurs.

 

Thanks for your help,

 

happy new year,

 

Dennia=son

MDB2 test1 Jan 5.afpub

[MikeTO]

I isolated the issue to the SVG in the group shown selected in the layers panel in this screen recording. I added some filler text behind it to illustrate the text wrapping and I linked the overflowing frame to a new page. When the group is to the left of the median of the right page, the text will fill the frame properly, but when the group is to the right of the median, the text will overflow the frame.

The issue goes away if I delete the linked SVG in the group but I don't have the linked file so I can't explore it further. The SVG has both sides text wrapping applied to it but turning that off doesn't make a difference.

Perhaps somebody else can figure it out from here. Here's the 2.6 beta test file shown in the screen recording.

MDB2 test1 Jan 5.afpub

 

 

[Dennison]

Thank you Mike,  Fascinating.  Maybe there is some "overspill" extending to the left side from that drawing - though I don't see that in the original drawings in Af Designer.

 

What is more curious is that the Test1 file you have is completely different to the one I uploaded.  Here's a screenshot of pages 2 and 3.

 

I double checked the file name to be sure there are not two versions of the same Test 1 file.  There is only one.

 

curiouser and curiouser, said Alice.

[MikeTO]

It's the same document, I just deleted everything but the overflowing text frame on the left and the single group on the right that was causing the problem. I then added the big text frame on the right behind the group to illustrate the effects of its text wrapping. And then I added another spread to link the overflowing frame to.

[Dennison]

Ah I see.  Thanks for explanation.

[Hangman]

9 hours ago, Dennison said:

Maybe there is some "overspill" extending to the left side from that drawing - though I don't see that in the original drawings in Af Designer.

It's not the Designer drawings causing the issue; it's happening because the two Groups using rounded rectangles have a Wrap Outline set acting as the hidden object for the Text Wrap and causing the behaviour you're seeing.

I'm assuming the drawings were added to the Publisher document and scaled after the custom Wrap Outline was defined and that part of the Wrap Outline wasn't scaled with the drawings...

If you remove the unnecessary Wrap Outlines for both Groups that should resolve the issue...

[Dennison]

Thank you.  Yes that has solved that issue.

However, unless I am misunderstanding what you are saying, removing the Wrap Outline from the Rounded Rectangles means that the Rectangles can't be placed to have text flow aqround them - as in a paragragh of text.  Is this correct, or am I not understanding?

 

[Hangman]

It’s difficult to know how things ended up the way they did without knowing the process to get to the layout in your file but it looks as though the drawing or drawings had a custom text wrap applied and were then grouped with other elements like a text frame and arrow etc., and another custom  text wrap applied to the two groups individually and then everything scaled down but based on their size and position on the page it looks as though the custom text wrap applied to the two groups weren’t included when the groups were scaled though I’m really not sure…

It’s absolutely fine to have the custom text wraps but if scaled everything needs to be scaled together and in proportion, e.g., the drawing in the right hand group has it’s custom outline scaled but it’s smaller and offset from the drawing which it shouldn’t be, as shown towards the end of the screen recording…

If the intent is just to offset text from the two rounded rectangles I would scale and position everything first and then apply the text wrap to the rectangles…

[Dennison]

Thank you - all sorted now.  I rebuild the elements one by one and voila! now works as intended.  Not sure how it got confused – must have been a late night edit. LOL

 

Your swift help is much appreciated. And the software is marvellous - 500 pages, 2000 drawings and counting.

[Hangman]

That's no problem at all, I'm glad you've managed to resolve everything and that all is now working as expected. It sounds as though the project is keeping you very busy...