Afpub 2.3.1: Extra space above bullet list entries

[Kim S]

I have been having trouble with extra line spacing above bulleted entries. This is particularly troublesome for me when switching from numbered to bulleted lists. I used paragraph styles for the following example. 

Edit: I am using Default leading spacing. I don't have the problem when I use the Exactly Xpt font. But to change that every time I change the size of the text style would be rough. 

Edited February 20 by Kim S
Clarified line spacing, not spacing around the bullet.

[Old Bruce]

Before the word Bullet do you want/need more or less space? Do you want more or less space before the Bullet but the same space after it, or a different amount of space before and after the bullet?

 

Current:

1  Number

•  Bullet

=============

1  Number

    • Bullet

=============

1  Number

    •      Bullet

=============

1  Number

    •Bullet

=============

Etc.

[Kim S]

Sorry I wasn't clear. I didn't mean spacing surrounding the bullet. I meant line spacing. I want the list entries to all be the same distance from each other. 

[MikeTO]

Hi Kim. For the bullets, select Paragraph > Spacing > Space Between Styles and set the corresponding text field to 0.

If you're using text styles, just set this in the text style.

Cheers

[Kim S]

I can't find a "Space between styles" setting in the Paragraph tab. I see a "Space between SAME style." If you meant that setting, toggling it on and setting it to 0 does not solve the problem. I wouldn't expect it to, since these are separate styles. Am I missing something?

[walt.farrell]

Perhaps you need to check the Space Before setting.

[Kim S]

Do you mean the Leading setting?

In writing replies and investigating more, I have a clearer question. I had hoped/thought that using "Default" for the Leading setting in the Paragraph menu would yield equal line spacing regardless of whether the line is plain text, numbered, or bulleted. Instead it creates extra line spacing above a bulleted list entry, compared to plain text or numbered list entries. Am I misunderstanding the "Default" setting? Is there some setting to get the behavior I desire? Or is this the programmed behavior and is unchangeable?  I understand that a workaround is to use the Exactly leading setting in the paragraph menu, but it becomes tedious when I want to make document-wide changes using Paragraph & Text Styles. I'm hoping there's a better solution out there.

Thx!

[Oufti]

Couldn't it be just an illusion? Here, with some fonts like Univers Next, the highlighted selection is smaller between bulleted paragraphs than between others — but this does not mean that the line spacing is changed, it's all about size of highlighting, causing the white space to grow, not the line space. 

Compare the Normal or Numbered paragraphs, where selection is just above capital height, and Bulleted ones, where it's quite taller — but all texts are equally aligned on the baseline grid. (Red is a screenshot superimposed for comparison.)

[Kim S]

In turning on the baseline grid to check what was going on, there was an extra line before the bulleted list entry! I turned off Align to Baseline Grid and, voila, my problem was solved! TY!

 

Edit 1: Make that, mostly solved. There are still some problematic lines, but I'm MUCH closer to a solution!

Edit 2: Align to Baseline Grid was NOT the problem.

Edited February 21 by Kim S
Strikethrough incorrect answer.

[Oufti]

10 minutes ago, Kim S said:

Am I misunderstanding the "Default" setting? Is there some setting to get the behavior I desire?

You could have more insights about the Default line spacing in this detailed thread:

 

11 minutes ago, Kim S said:

I understand that a workaround is to use the Exactly leading setting in the paragraph menu, but it becomes tedious when I want to make document-wide changes using Paragraph & Text Styles. I'm hoping there's a better solution out there.

You could use the relative leading, % height.

[Kim S]

I think my problem also involves using bullets from a different font than the native one. 

Thx for the link!

[Oufti]

7 minutes ago, Kim S said:

[…] my problem also involves using bullets from a different font than the native one. 

Yes. As each font can have a different default height, default leading will vary. (This is detailed in the thread mentioned above.)

[walt.farrell]

27 minutes ago, Kim S said:

Do you mean the Leading setting?

No. The same place in Paragraph settings where you found Space After there's also Space Before, which you seen to have set from the screenshot.

[Kim S]

Upon even further experimentation and failed trials, I discovered (I think for real this time) the reason for my problem. I had changed the bullet from the default (Arial?) to Consolas. That threw off the line spacing once I'd applied that bullet paragraph style. Doh! Thx for all the responses.

[MikeTO]

9 hours ago, Kim S said:

I can't find a "Space between styles" setting in the Paragraph tab. I see a "Space between SAME style." If you meant that setting, toggling it on and setting it to 0 does not solve the problem. I wouldn't expect it to, since these are separate styles. Am I missing something?

Sorry, I left out the word "same", that's what I meant.