Kim S Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 (edited) I have been having trouble with extra line spacing above bulleted entries. This is particularly troublesome for me when switching from numbered to bulleted lists. I used paragraph styles for the following example. Edit: I am using Default leading spacing. I don't have the problem when I use the Exactly Xpt font. But to change that every time I change the size of the text style would be rough. Edited February 20 by Kim S Clarified line spacing, not spacing around the bullet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Before the word Bullet do you want/need more or less space? Do you want more or less space before the Bullet but the same space after it, or a different amount of space before and after the bullet? Current: 1 Number • Bullet ============= 1 Number • Bullet ============= 1 Number • Bullet ============= 1 Number •Bullet ============= Etc. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.4 Affinity Designer 2.4.1 | Affinity Photo 2.4.1 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.1 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim S Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 Sorry I wasn't clear. I didn't mean spacing surrounding the bullet. I meant line spacing. I want the list entries to all be the same distance from each other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Hi Kim. For the bullets, select Paragraph > Spacing > Space Between Styles and set the corresponding text field to 0. If you're using text styles, just set this in the text style. Cheers Quote Download a free manual for Publisher 2.4 from this forum - expanded 300-page PDF My system: Affinity 2.4.2 for macOS Sonoma 14.4.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M1 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim S Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 I can't find a "Space between styles" setting in the Paragraph tab. I see a "Space between SAME style." If you meant that setting, toggling it on and setting it to 0 does not solve the problem. I wouldn't expect it to, since these are separate styles. Am I missing something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Perhaps you need to check the Space Before setting. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim S Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 Do you mean the Leading setting? In writing replies and investigating more, I have a clearer question. I had hoped/thought that using "Default" for the Leading setting in the Paragraph menu would yield equal line spacing regardless of whether the line is plain text, numbered, or bulleted. Instead it creates extra line spacing above a bulleted list entry, compared to plain text or numbered list entries. Am I misunderstanding the "Default" setting? Is there some setting to get the behavior I desire? Or is this the programmed behavior and is unchangeable? I understand that a workaround is to use the Exactly leading setting in the paragraph menu, but it becomes tedious when I want to make document-wide changes using Paragraph & Text Styles. I'm hoping there's a better solution out there. Thx! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oufti Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 Couldn't it be just an illusion? Here, with some fonts like Univers Next, the highlighted selection is smaller between bulleted paragraphs than between others — but this does not mean that the line spacing is changed, it's all about size of highlighting, causing the white space to grow, not the line space. Compare the Normal or Numbered paragraphs, where selection is just above capital height, and Bulleted ones, where it's quite taller — but all texts are equally aligned on the baseline grid. (Red is a screenshot superimposed for comparison.) Quote Affinity Suite 2.4 – Monterey 12.7.4 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim S Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 (edited) In turning on the baseline grid to check what was going on, there was an extra line before the bulleted list entry! I turned off Align to Baseline Grid and, voila, my problem was solved! TY! Edit 1: Make that, mostly solved. There are still some problematic lines, but I'm MUCH closer to a solution! Edit 2: Align to Baseline Grid was NOT the problem. Edited February 21 by Kim S Strikethrough incorrect answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oufti Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 10 minutes ago, Kim S said: Am I misunderstanding the "Default" setting? Is there some setting to get the behavior I desire? You could have more insights about the Default line spacing in this detailed thread: 11 minutes ago, Kim S said: I understand that a workaround is to use the Exactly leading setting in the paragraph menu, but it becomes tedious when I want to make document-wide changes using Paragraph & Text Styles. I'm hoping there's a better solution out there. You could use the relative leading, % height. Quote Affinity Suite 2.4 – Monterey 12.7.4 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim S Posted February 20 Author Share Posted February 20 I think my problem also involves using bullets from a different font than the native one. Thx for the link! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oufti Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 7 minutes ago, Kim S said: […] my problem also involves using bullets from a different font than the native one. Yes. As each font can have a different default height, default leading will vary. (This is detailed in the thread mentioned above.) Quote Affinity Suite 2.4 – Monterey 12.7.4 – MacBookPro 14" 2021 M1 Pro 16Go/1To I apologise for any approximations in my English. It is not my mother tongue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 27 minutes ago, Kim S said: Do you mean the Leading setting? No. The same place in Paragraph settings where you found Space After there's also Space Before, which you seen to have set from the screenshot. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kim S Posted February 21 Author Share Posted February 21 Upon even further experimentation and failed trials, I discovered (I think for real this time) the reason for my problem. I had changed the bullet from the default (Arial?) to Consolas. That threw off the line spacing once I'd applied that bullet paragraph style. Doh! Thx for all the responses. Oufti and walt.farrell 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeTO Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 hours ago, Kim S said: I can't find a "Space between styles" setting in the Paragraph tab. I see a "Space between SAME style." If you meant that setting, toggling it on and setting it to 0 does not solve the problem. I wouldn't expect it to, since these are separate styles. Am I missing something? Sorry, I left out the word "same", that's what I meant. Quote Download a free manual for Publisher 2.4 from this forum - expanded 300-page PDF My system: Affinity 2.4.2 for macOS Sonoma 14.4.1, MacBook Pro 14" (M1 Pro) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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