Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Hi Not sure if this is a bug with the tool or Publisher, I was playing around with Move Data Entry and noticed the following behaviour on different pages The triangle was the same size and position on all 3 pages the same settings were also used in the tool Page 1 as expected Page 2 Not as expected Page 3 different again An overall look at the difference Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Check that you haven't moved the Transform Origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 minute ago, anto said: Check that you haven't moved the Transform Origin. I didn't move anything I first noticed the behaviour in another Publisher document, the one above was just to demonstrate the issue, it seems the more pages there are the more the difference is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Hi @Murfee, I can replicate this, you even get different results when applying the settings to the first page, cancelling, applying them to the second page and then reapplying to the first page again... I can't be sure but I suspect this relates to a previously reported bug where the Transform Origin is being incorrectly identified in Publisher pages and the offset is multiplied progressively the more pages you have, despite not changing the source shape Transform Origin... Triangle.mp4 Murfee 1 Quote Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 Affinity Designer Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.6.0.2861 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 This is what is happening with 6 pages, all other positions & settings are the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 I see the same problem. At first I was also experiencing this, but I thought I had changed the Transform Origin. Now I can reproduce it as well. Even if you do not select Previous Settings, problem exist. Murfee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 Thanks @anto & @Hangman for confirming it isn't just me. I keep a document of hints, tips & new tools for my own use... when adding this tool to page 58 I couldn't find it at first, I had to zoom right out then couldn't understand what I had done wrong Hangman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 Basically, it appears as though the Transform Origin isn't being carried over correctly when pages are duplicated which means replicating the Move Data Entry settings requires the Transform Origin to be set on the first page in the same place for subsequent pages for it to work correctly... Star.mp4 Quote Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 Affinity Designer Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.6.0.2861 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 I didn't duplicate any pages, I added via the document add pages function. The first time I noticed the problem was on page 58 of an existing document. The shape was new and created on that page, the result was only found when zooming right out with the group selected. I can't see how the transform origin would apply in this scenario. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 On my test file the transform origin is in the centre of the triangle on each page before using the tool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Murfee said: I didn't duplicate any pages, I added via the document add pages function. And I didn't add pages at all, I just created two new documents and the behavior was different. 2023-08-16 09-30-52.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anto Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 4 minutes ago, Murfee said: On my test file the transform origin is in the centre of the triangle on each page before using the tool It probably also depends on the placement of the triangle in relation to the page Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, anto said: It probably also depends on the placement of the triangle in relation to the page And also whether you're using facing or non-facing pages, as per @anto's screen recording... Quote Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 Affinity Designer Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.6.0.2861 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 It doesn't make a difference, facing or single pages... transform origin the same, the triangle in exactly the same place on each page The more pages you have the worse the error Try a new document with 60 pages, go to page 58 and draw a shape then use the data move tool New document, new shape and the same settings as before nothing else in the document to influence transform origin... this is what I get Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 1 minute ago, Murfee said: The more pages you have the worse the error Basically what's happening, even if you don't change the original Transform Origin, is that it's using the Transform Origin from the shape on the first page as its point of reference on all subsequent pages regardless of how those pages are created which is why on subsequent pages the transform gets gradually more exaggerated. That's what I was attempting to demonstrate with the multi-page screen recording using the star... Quote Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 Affinity Designer Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.6.0.2861 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 I don't disagree, what do you get of you start with a new file with 60 pages, create the shape on page 58 then apply the move data tool? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, Murfee said: What do you get of you start with a new file with 60 pages, create the shape on page 58 then apply the move data tool? Basically a very large arc... but if I move the Transform Origin of the shape on Page 58 to the centre of Page 1, I then get the correct result when using the Move Data Entry option... Quote Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 Affinity Designer Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.6.0.2861 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 16 minutes ago, Hangman said: but if I move the Transform Origin of the shape on Page 58 to the centre of Page 1, I then get the correct result when using the Move Data Entry option... That's not something many people will want to do Imagine if you are on page 250 when you need to use the tool 😅 I wondered if it was connected to master pages...no same behaviour in a new file with no masters They need to fix the bug in Publisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Murfee Posted August 18, 2023 Author Share Posted August 18, 2023 2 hours ago, Hangman said: I can't be sure but I suspect this relates to a previously reported bug where the Transform Origin is being incorrectly identified in Publisher pages and the offset is multiplied progressively the more pages you have, despite not changing the source shape Transform Origin... Can you remember when this bug was first identified? I would like to give it a nudge with a link back to this thread... they are planning on introducing a new tool that has flawed behaviour so not fully usable in Publisher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted August 18, 2023 Share Posted August 18, 2023 15 minutes ago, Murfee said: That's not something many people will want to do Imagine if you are on page 250 when you need to use the tool 😅 Oh no, I wasn't suggesting anyone actually does this, only trying to highlight the cause if that makes sense... 14 minutes ago, Murfee said: Can you remember when this bug was first identified? I would like to give it a nudge with a link back to this thread... There have been several reports of 'similar' issues which may or may not be directly related to this particular problem... I can't locate the main one I was looking for which clearly demonstrates the issue (obviously not for this particular tool) but here are a couple that appear to demonstrate similar (but not identical) issues in terms of the Transform Origin... but they may not be the best ones to link back to... Quote Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 Affinity Designer Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Photo Beta 2.6.0.2861 | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.6.0.2861 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Affinity Info Bot Posted August 21, 2023 Staff Share Posted August 21, 2023 An issue raised in this thread ("Move Data Entry Tool Doesn't Apply Consistent Results Across Multiple Publisher Pages") has now been reported to the developers by the testing team (Ref: AFB-8240). Thank you very much for reporting this issue to us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Affinity Info Bot Posted November 21, 2023 Staff Share Posted November 21, 2023 The issue "Move Data Entry Tool doesn't Duplicate consistently on other pages when using Previous Settings" (REF: AF-661) has been fixed by the developers in internal build "2.3.0.2150". This fix should soon be available as a customer beta and is planned for inclusion in the next customer release. Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions. If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Serif Info Bot to notify us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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