view does not change when I apply the tone curve

[albo49]

even with the latest version the view does not change when I apply the tone curve, to see the effect I have to reload the file.
Too boring

[Dan C]

Hi @albo49,

Thanks for your report!

I can confirm that this is by design, the Develop Assistant Options are not 'live' applied to the image that you have opened, as changing certain settings here in this dialog affects the way the Affinity app processes the RAW data, and once the image has already been opened, this data has already been processed with the previous setting.

Therefore you have to close and reopen your RAW file once changing any Develop Assistant Options to see the changes in your RAW file, in the Develop Persona.

I hope this clears things up

[lepr]

albo49 probably has the understandable expectation of the same functionality as in Photo 1.x, where changing the Tone Curve option in Develop Assistant instantly affected the rendition in Develop Persona.

[Dan C]

Thanks lepr - as I understand it, this was not correctly 'live' applying to all RAW files loaded in V1 - therefore the Tone Curve setting was fixed in V2 to match the other Develop Assistant settings, requiring a re-load of the image to be applied.

I will however double check this behaviour with our team, to ensure the above remains correct  

[albo49]

1 hour ago, lepr said:

albo49 ha probabilmente la comprensibile aspettativa della stessa funzionalità di Photo 1.x, dove la modifica dell'opzione Tone Curve in Develop Assistant ha influenzato immediatamente la resa in Develop Persona.

right, on apple it seems to work both V1 and V2

[lepr]

49 minutes ago, albo49 said:

right, on apple it seems to work both V1 and V2

Intel iMac with macOS 12.6.5:

• instant tone curve change in Photo 1.x with RAWs from several cameras
• no instant tone curve change in Photo 2.x with RAWs from several cameras, which is deliberate by the developers as far as I know

[Dan C]

14 hours ago, Red Sands said:

At a minimum, Photo should open a dialogue box telling the customer that the image must be reopened for the change to take effect. I just tried changing the RAW engine. Same problem. From my experience with other programs, I would clearly expect that the image would be updated.

Thanks for your feedback - I do agree this could be clearer and I'll log this as a requested improvement with the developers now

14 hours ago, Red Sands said:

So the software architecture here is fundamentally flawed if Photo cannot update the image with the new preference applied. I just find it hard to believe that such a fundamental change was made from v1 to v2?

In both V1 & V2, changing the RAW engine required the image to be reopened - this has always been the case with Affinity Photo. I'm not personally a developer for Affinity so I can't delve into the technical reasoning for this, but this behaviour is consistent between both versions.

It was my understanding that certain Develop Assistant options in V1 could be applied 'live', such as the Tone Curve or RAW Output Profile - though as this did not apply to all Develop Assistant options (such as RAW engine or Noise Correction, which is applied when first loading the RAW) and therefore caused confusion that some 'worked' and others didn't.

Therefore I believe in V2 that these 'live' options were changed to be consistent with the other Develop Assistant options, in that they needed the RAW to be reloaded to take affect (as above though, this still could be clearer with a dialog informing the user of such).

However, our QA team are less certain that this was a purposeful decision to remove the 'live' ability of these certain options and therefore I have logged this with our developers for further comment. I would not expect that the RAW engine, Noise Correction etc options to change, but I have requested confirmation as to whether the change regarding the Tone Curve and RAW Output Profile are to be expected.

I hope this helps!

[albo49]

in V1 it works well and is very useful

[albo49]

Even in version 2.3 it was not fixed.
Any news on the matter?

[Dan C]

Unfortunately I can confirm this is still logged with our development team at this time - I'll be sure to 'bump' this to bring it to their attention once again for you now

[Affinity_Pro]

Hi @Dan C, 

I just wanted to mention the official tutorial on Tone Curves (youtube starts from 40 seconds) has an instant result when James switches it off (i.e. no re-loading of raw file required). It may be required to update the video and/or manual depending on what changes are made.

Manual (https://affinity.help/photo2/en-US.lproj/pages/Raw/raw.html) 

    "The chosen RAW Engine will be remembered the next time a raw image is loaded."

It might be clearer if this manual page is updated to mention all assistant settings would require a reload/re-development of image before any changes are visible. Ideally, it would be that any changes in assistant panel take immediate effect so you can A/B test the result rather than having to open two versions of the same raw file with different assistant settings.

Thanks

 

 

[Dan C]

Many thanks for raising this here!

Firstly, I've 'bumped' the issue with our development team to bring it to their attention once more.

Secondly, I've commented on these issues internally to confirm that the tutorial/documentation requires updating, to match the expected behaviour of the apps - though at this time the issue is yet to be confirmed directly as a bug or if this was in fact an intended change for V2, following our other RAW changes (such as Linked/Embedded RAW editing support).

Therefore once the development team have concluded the issue raised internally, our documentation/tutorial team can work to correct any relevant Affinity resources.

I hope this helps

[albo49]

Anche con la 2.4 il problema non è risolto.
Ma com'è possibile che funzioni con la V1 e non con queste nuove versioni?

 

Nessuna novità interessante, invece, per Affinity photo.
È un aggiornamento quasi esclusivamente per il disegno vettoriale.😥

[Dan C]

Grazie per aver portato questo problema ancora una volta alla nostra attenzione: l'assistente allo sviluppo RAW e le opzioni di sviluppo RAW sono stati revisionati per V2 Affinity Photo e quindi funzionano in modo diverso dalla V1.

Il registro con il nostro team di sviluppo è quello di tornare al comportamento che era presente con la V1, anche se tecnicamente non si tratta di un bug e più di un cambiamento della funzionalità stessa, non ha avuto la priorità sulle correzioni di bug che il nostro team ha aggiunto per la 2.4. .

Ho sollevato ancora una volta la questione con il nostro team di sviluppo per richiedere che il comportamento venga modificato per te, ma non posso fornire alcuna tempistica o garanzia che ciò cambierà, mi scuso.