Phillsky Posted November 15, 2022 Posted November 15, 2022 Something going on/changed with the develop persona in v2 on MacOS Ventura 13.0.1 If I open an tif image in AP, and click develop persona, theres a white/grey haze over the entire image. All the adjustment sliders are set to 0. This doesn't happen in AP 1.10.5.What am I missing/doing wrong? Quote
Phillsky Posted January 12, 2023 Author Posted January 12, 2023 21 hours ago, anto said: Could you please update your program to version 2.0.3? I am running 2.0.3. Quote
Ron P. Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 On 11/15/2022 at 4:22 AM, Phillsky said: Something going on/changed with the develop persona in v2 on MacOS Ventura 13.0.1 If I open an tif image in AP, and click develop persona, theres a white/grey haze over the entire image. All the adjustment sliders are set to 0. This doesn't happen in AP 1.10.5.What am I missing/doing wrong? Without a screenshot, I'm assuming the white/grey haze is nothing more than the image appearing dull and lacking contrast. This is normal, unless you have the Develop Assistant settings to Apply Exposure Bias, and Tone Curve. AP provides you with the RAW data, no camera applied settings, so you can control how you want your images to look. The sliders by default are at 0 when you first open an image in the Develop Persona. The TIFF file you're referring to, have you developed/processed it in the Develop Persona, and taking it back into the Develop Persona for further tweaking, processing? Quote Affinity Photo 2.5..; Affinity Designer 2.5..; Affinity Publisher 2.5..; Affinity2 Beta versions. Affinity Photo,Designer 1.10.6.1605 Win10 Home Version:21H2, Build: 19044.1766: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s);32GB Ram, Nvidia GTX 3070, 3-Internal HDD (1 Crucial MX5000 1TB, 1-Crucial MX5000 500GB, 1-WD 1 TB), 4 External HDD
walt.farrell Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, Ron P. said: Without a screenshot, I'm assuming the white/grey haze is nothing more than the image appearing dull and lacking contrast. This is normal, unless you have the Develop Assistant settings to Apply Exposure Bias, and Tone Curve. AP provides you with the RAW data, no camera applied settings, so you can control how you want your images to look. Yes, a screenshot of the complete application window would be useful. They said this is when opening a TIFF file. It's less common for those files to be RAW format, but possible, I think. Ron P. 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Pšenda Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 57 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: They said this is when opening a TIFF file. According to the description of "If I open an tif image in AP, and click develop persona, theres a white/grey haze over", it looks like the haze will only appear in the Develop persona. Could this be a problem with the Column Guides setup? Although their haze effect would also show up in Photo persona. Ron P. and walt.farrell 2 Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.7.2948 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130.
Ron P. Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 2 hours ago, walt.farrell said: It's less common for those files to be RAW format, but possible, I think. Yes it is, if the file contains a RAW file. I just tested this, by developing one of my RAW (CR2) files. Then exported as a TIFF. When I opened the TIFF, it had the RAW file, and I was able to develop it further in the Develop Persona. Furthermore, the settings in the Develop Persona were preserved. However the file did not have a white/grey haze. Quote Affinity Photo 2.5..; Affinity Designer 2.5..; Affinity Publisher 2.5..; Affinity2 Beta versions. Affinity Photo,Designer 1.10.6.1605 Win10 Home Version:21H2, Build: 19044.1766: Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-5820K CPU @ 3.30GHz, 3301 Mhz, 6 Core(s), 12 Logical Processor(s);32GB Ram, Nvidia GTX 3070, 3-Internal HDD (1 Crucial MX5000 1TB, 1-Crucial MX5000 500GB, 1-WD 1 TB), 4 External HDD
walt.farrell Posted January 12, 2023 Posted January 12, 2023 16 minutes ago, Ron P. said: I just tested this, by developing one of my RAW (CR2) files. Then exported as a TIFF. That's not what I was referring to. There are some cameras that can produce RAW TIFFs, I think (from info in other topics here). And also some other apps that can do it. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Phillsky Posted January 13, 2023 Author Posted January 13, 2023 The file opened (AP-Image1) is saved from Pixinsight, the image AP-Image2 is what I see in Develop Persona. Quote
Pšenda Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 Just to confirm, is it the same tif file in both personas? And just curious, why are you opening an already developed tif image in Develop persona? Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.7.2948 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130.
Phillsky Posted January 13, 2023 Author Posted January 13, 2023 52 minutes ago, Pšenda said: Just to confirm, is it the same tif file in both personas? And just curious, why are you opening an already developed tif image in Develop persona? Yes it is. I wanted to do some final stuff on it. Quote
Pšenda Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, Phillsky said: I wanted to do some final stuff on it. And this "final stuff" isn't in Photo persona? 25 minutes ago, Phillsky said: Yes it is. Thanks for confirming. I couldn't find the file name on your screenshot 2. In my Win version, the filename is listed in both Personas. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.7.2948 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130.
Phillsky Posted January 13, 2023 Author Posted January 13, 2023 21 minutes ago, Pšenda said: And this "final stuff" isn't in Photo persona? Thanks for confirming. I couldn't find the file name on your screenshot 2. In my Win version, the filename is listed in both Personas. I haven't done any thing to the picture you see in Develop Persona. It's just how it shows up after opening it in Photo Persona, and then clicking on Develop Persona. Quote
Pšenda Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Phillsky said: I haven't done any thing to the picture you see in Develop Persona. It's just how it shows up after opening it in Photo Persona, and then clicking on Develop Persona. I understand - I asked what reason you have for switching to Develop persona, i.e. what features does it offer that you cannot do in Photo persona on an already developed tif file. Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.7.2948 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130.
Phillsky Posted January 13, 2023 Author Posted January 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, Pšenda said: I understand - I asked what reason you have for switching to Develop persona, i.e. what features does it offer that you cannot do in Photo persona on an already developed tif file. Ah, OK. Well in this case i was just going to check if a little bit more contrast, clarity and maybe some saturation would make any difference. Thats the way I have done it before. Quote
Pšenda Posted January 13, 2023 Posted January 13, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Phillsky said: Well in this case i was just going to check if a little bit more contrast, clarity and maybe some saturation would make any difference. However, Adjustments or Live Filter are available in Photo persona for this, with which you can non-destructively adjust the required parameters according to your needs. P.S. don't you want to provide the mentioned TIF file for testing (post it on the forum)? It could then be verified whether it is a systematic error in APhoto or just a local one on your PC. Edited January 13, 2023 by Pšenda Quote Affinity Store (MSI/EXE): Affinity Suite (ADe, APh, APu) 2.5.7.2948 (Retail) Dell OptiPlex 7060, i5-8500 3.00 GHz, 16 GB, Intel UHD Graphics 630, Dell P2417H 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Dell Latitude E5570, i5-6440HQ 2.60 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics 530, 1920 x 1080, Windows 11 Pro, Version 24H2, Build 26100.2605. Intel NUC5PGYH, Pentium N3700 2.40 GHz, 8 GB, Intel HD Graphics, EIZO EV2456 1920 x 1200, Windows 10 Pro, Version 21H1, Build 19043.2130.
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