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hello,

i'm new to affinity and would like to retouch footage for vfx compositing. most of my plates have an aspect ratio.

i'm wondering how to edit and view my files in the correct aspect ratio ?

for example an aspect ratio of 2 means that the correct image display width is twice as the pixel width.

thanks so far

Lars*

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Moin Lars,

ich schreib mal auf deutsch, weil ich die Frage nicht ganz verstehe.

geht es um nicht-quadratische Pixel, wie sie früher bei 16:9 SD TV üblich waren? (Und man z.B. in VLC auswählen kann)?  Man kann diesen Effect erzeugen, wenn man eine Pixel-Ebene mit dem Transform-Panel in der x-Achse in die Breite zieht, und zwar ohne neu zu rastern. Sofern Du Dateien exportierst, haben die aber immer quadratische Pixel - weil die Dateiformate meist nichts anderes unterstützen.

Oder geht es um „aspect ratio“ mit quadratischen Pixeln? Dann ändert sich die Pixel Anzahl entsprechend, also 200x100.

Welche App benutzt Du, Photo, oder Designer?

Kannst Du Beispiel-Dateien hochladen, die Zeigen was genau du erzielen möchtest?

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dank dir für deine rasche antwort !

genau, es geht um nicht-quadratische pixel, die auch heute noch durchaus üblich sind. konkret möchte ich gerade exr bilder in affinity photo bearbeiten, die mit einer anamorphotischen linse gedreht wurden, d.h. die bilder sind um die hälfte gequetscht (pixel ratio 2) und sollen aus qualitätsgründen auch nicht skaliert werden. der pixel aspekt steht auch korrekt im file header, nur leider erkennt affinity das nicht und eine geeignete dartellungsoption habe ich bisher nicht gefunden ?

als beispiel habe ich mal diese aus wikipedia angehängt:

anamorphot.JPG

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Ok, wie gesagt kannst Du innerhalb von Affinity jede Pixel-Ebene z.B. in Richtung der x-Achse strecken um einen beliebigen Faktor. Das Transformieren-Panel erlaubt auch Formeln wie *1.6. Die Pixel werden dann gestreckt dargestellt - und als Rechtecke (nicht quadratisch).

 

Nur bevor Du exportierst muss Du daran denken die Streckung wieder zurück zu nehmen, sonst skaliert Photo.

Die Metadaten können weder gelesen noch geschrieben werden.

 

Alternativ kannst Du den Perspektiven-Filter nutzen. Der streckt die Bilder nur für die Anzeige, und kann vor dem Export einfach deaktiviert werden.

Um das richtige Verhältnis zu bekommen:

  1. Erzeuge ein Rechteck in Einheitsgröße
  2. kopiere Rechteck und strecke es um den gewünschten Faktor in x-Richtung
  3. Selektiere das ursprüngliche Rechteck
  4. Füge Perspektive Filter hinzu. Er zeigt 4 Knoten auf der Position des Rechtecks an
  5. Ziehe 2 Knoten auf die Position des skalierten Rechtecks.
  6. Deaktiviere beide Rechtecke.
  7. Speichere ggf. Die Perspektiven Filter als Asset, und sie leicht wieder zu verwenden..

und mit crop tool die Leinwand vergrößern 

 

 

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27 minutes ago, NotMyFault said:

The metadata can neither be read nor written.

 

Alternatively, you can use the perspective filter. It only stretches the images for display and can easily be deactivated before export.

However, if the metadata can't be read or written, won't the exported file have the wrong metadata? In that case the next program reading the file will interpret the squashed pixels incorrectly.

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2 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

However, if the metadata can't be read or written, won't the exported file have the wrong metadata? In that case the next program reading the file will interpret the squashed pixels incorrectly.

Yes, maybe exiftool might be able to correct this after editing, or even ffmpeg.

 

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To all who wonder what this thread is all about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pixel_aspect_ratio (PAR)

Non-square pixels are a thing in older video standards (PAL, NTSC, before HD) coming from analog standards.

Since HD and pure digital displays and processing, only square pixels are used.

In video playback software, you can still choose the aspect ration for playback, and overwrite any metadata contained in the media stream or source file.

Current (modern) image editors ignore such metadata and export only square pixels.

OpenEXR allows to specify PAR, but this might get ignored by Affinity.

 

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14 hours ago, NotMyFault said:

Current (modern) image editors ignore such metadata and export only square pixels.

PS still supports this and can set and reset diverse non-square aspect ratios and also export them. But perhaps you did not count it as "modern"?

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2 hours ago, lacerto said:

But perhaps you did not count it as "modern"?

Yes, with modern i want to express Apps which were designed after CRT / analog / SD-TV sets were sold / new models using non-quart pixels came into market. This was ca 2005 when pure digital TV and HDTV started to dominate new model announcements and sales.

PS is not modern according to this specific aspec, as it started well before that time and consequently has dedicated PAR functionality.

It is not intended to rate PS as not modern in any other aspect.

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Hi

Anamorphic lenses on professional film cameras are still in modern times handled with anamorphic pixel ratio and that is how it is worked in post until final export for display. Those of us in post production on such projects still benefit greatly from being able to display and work in anamorphic PAR without damaging the image fedelity.

BTW with affinity photo 2 just dropping - does it now have this feature? I cannot tell from the available documentation?

 

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I share the view it would be a valuable addon functionality.

V2 seems to not have it as V1.

But the new live mesh warp filter may make it much easier to simulate the effect.

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