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Artboards Group Bug — Not Constraint Panel’s Fault (AFAIK)


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Hi, I don’t think this bug has been reported before. It is not document-specific. Attempting to group shapes or texts that are both in and out an artboard, despite all of them being positioned inside the artboard, will almost always result in a random relocation of said objects (plus that “shape-cutting ugly bug” which fortunately doesn’t destroy the shapes permanently). Different constraint panel settings render the same results. It may not look like much when working with few objects, but when dealing with hundreds of files — it is. 

Video and test file below. All the best!

Off-topic edit, for some reason the files I upload have no details like I see in other posts, and also my account seems to lack various features, such us when I was logged in the last time or what topic I’m watching in real time. It’s not bothering me, but it doesn’t look good either.

 

 

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21 minutes ago, iuli said:

Attempting to group shapes or texts that are both in and out an artboard, despite all of them being positioned inside the artboard

I'm not sure what you mean by "positioned inside" the Artboard. Do you mean they are visually within the Artboard, but physically outside it in the Layers panel?

If so, the objects would move to be within the Artboard in the Layers panel, I think.

-- Walt
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Objects will move to be physically within the Artboard they are visually over.

-- Walt
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    Laptop:  Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU.
iPad:  iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard 
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@walt.farrell I understand that, but they’re visually within the borders. I still don’t believe this is normal behavior by Serif standards. Sometimes grouping work, sometimes is a mess, hence I’m reporting it as a bug. 
 

Edit: sometimes the same error happens with all shapes within the borders, just not as often. Being in separate layers is sometimes, but rarely, enough (only if dealing with text though). Will sure make a new entry if I stumble upon a file that behaves like that and the bug can be replicated.

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6 minutes ago, iuli said:

but they’re visually within the borders.

But they must be physically within the Artboard, in the Layers panel, or they will be moved there.

For example, have an object that is physically and visually outside the Artboard layer. Drag it with the Move Tool so it is visually within the Artboard.

It will become physically within the Artboard layer, I think. (Can't test it right now. Also, your attachments didn't work, so I can't see what you have.)

-- Walt
Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases
PC:
    Desktop:  Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 

    Laptop:  Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU.
iPad:  iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard 
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I'm sorry for having upset you. But I am not arguing about semantics. I was trying to understand what you meant, as I could not view your video nor see your file. I am on a different system now, and both are visible to me.

I do not know whether something in what you have found is a bug or not.

But you seem to be unaware of the intended behavior of objects and Artboards, where an object that is visually over an Artboard will be moved to be physically within the Artboard under some circumstances, which is a part of what you are seeing.

You're starting with this, I think (viewed on my desktop system):

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The blue pixel layer is visually over the artboard (within the artboard boundaries) but in the Layers panel is not physically part of the Artboard.

If I select all the items with a marquee selection, and then Group them, I get this:

image.png.c3341de283006a89e46ab399b923652f.png

 

Note that visually everything looks the same on the Artboard, but physically the blue pixel layer has moved within the Artboard in the Layers panel.

I believe this is correct processing.

I cannot explain why it ends up where it does (in that Group at the bottom of the Layer stack.) But I believe it is correct that its position in the Layers panel changes. Possibly one of the Moderators, or another user, will be able to explain more than I can, and determine whether there is a bug here.

-- Walt
Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases
PC:
    Desktop:  Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 

    Laptop:  Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU.
iPad:  iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard 
Mac:  2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.3

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I apologize @walt.farrell it’s not your fault. I feel it’s strange that I have to spend time this way. I posted what I think it’s a bug (because no matter the circumstances, that’s not normal behavior for grouping shapes). If a mod thinks it is, OK, if not, close the topic altogether?

I do not argue with you that there are easy workarounds for this, but as I said, this bug is not limited to objects physically outside of the artboards. As an iPad only user I have encounter this exact bug many times over the years, in normal conditions (all objects inside the artboards), but that’s not easy to catch and record because it is happening sporadically.

It’s also part of my workflow to work in certain way, well aware of the limitations of the iPad. 

Anyway, water under the bridge. All the best. 


 

 

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The issue "Objects move unexpectedly when grouped" (REF: AFD-2602) has been fixed by the developers in internal build "2.2.0.1857".
This fix should soon be available as a customer beta and is planned for inclusion in the next customer release.
Customer beta builds are announced here and you can participate by following these instructions.
If you still experience this problem once you are using that build version (or later) please reply to this thread including @Serif Info Bot to notify us.

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