PLShutterbug Posted December 18, 2021 Share Posted December 18, 2021 Using latest Affinity Photo version. Printing to Canon Pixma Pro-10 printer using Canon Photo Paper Pro Luster profile. An image of a "normal scene" previews and prints as expected. I'm trying to print some wedding photos from my sister's wedding some years ago originally taken on 2-1/4" Vericolor III film. I used my macro lens on my Nikon Z 7 to photograph the negative, then used a curves adjustment to reverse the colors, then a fill layer to remove the mask, then a second curves adjustment to adjust colors. I have an HSL adjustment at the top of the layer stack but it is turned off. When I print straight from the .afphoto file the resulting preview in Canon IJ Preview is completely black, and so is the resulting print. See the screenshot. If I save as a .JPG, then open the .JPG and print that, it prints. The colors are not right, but that's probably a profile thing - I'm not going to worry about that now. My question: why is this image that looks ok in Photo and prints if saved as a .JPG and then opened in Photo, printing completely black? (I realize there is still some color correction to do ... don't worry about that now.) Thanks in advance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 I would guess it is a result of the inversion made by the Curves Adjustment Layer. Try printing after doing a Merge Visible so that layer is at the top. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotMyFault Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 As the printing functionality is extremely buggy both on Mac and Windows (for reasons mostly outside Affinity) it is best practice to export you document in a suitable format (jpg, tiff, PDF) and print it directly on OS level, or using default apps like Acrobat Reader, or web browser. Next, you could really improve the image with help of levels or curves adjustment to level the color channels. Quote Mac mini M1 A2348 | Windows 10 - AMD Ryzen 9 5900x - 32 GB RAM - Nvidia GTX 1080 LG34WK950U-W, calibrated to DCI-P3 with LG Calibration Studio / Spider 5 iPad Air Gen 5 (2022) A2589 Special interest into procedural texture filter, edit alpha channel, RGB/16 and RGB/32 color formats, stacking, finding root causes for misbehaving files, finding creative solutions for unsolvable tasks, finding bugs in Apps. My posts focus on technical aspects and leave out most of social grease like „maybe“, „in my opinion“, „I might be wrong“ etc. just add copy/paste all these softeners from this signature to make reading more comfortable for you. Otherwise I’m a fine person which respects you and everyone and wants to be respected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 All in all hard to tell without seeing what has been applied, in what range/order in the layers panel here then. Meaning, just seeing Canon IJ Preview and the APh print panel doesn't tell much here! Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLShutterbug Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, NotMyFault said: As the printing functionality is extremely buggy both on Mac and Windows (for reasons mostly outside Affinity) it is best practice to export you document in a suitable format (jpg, tiff, PDF) and print it directly on OS level, or using default apps like Acrobat Reader, or web browser. Next, you could really improve the image with help of levels or curves adjustment to level the color channels. Note this sentence from my original post: "(I realize there is still some color correction to do ... don't worry about that now.)" And this one: "... then used a curves adjustment to reverse the colors, then a fill layer to remove the mask, then a second curves adjustment to adjust colors." I knew and still know I have to work on the image to get it right. I acknowledged that in my original post. However, if I get the color balance, contrast, etc. perfect but it still prints black then all that work won't help, will it? What's amazing to me is how the human eye adapts to see the color that something should be, regardless of what it actually is. I thought I had it nailed, tried these prints, sent the plea here, and then went back a couple of hours later to see if any responses had shown up and was astounded at how much the color is still off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Bruce Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 1 hour ago, PLShutterbug said: However, if I get the color balance, contrast, etc. perfect but it still prints black then all that work won't help, will it? What's amazing to me is how the human eye adapts to see the color that something should be, regardless of what it actually is. I thought I had it nailed, tried these prints, sent the plea here, and then went back a couple of hours later to see if any responses had shown up and was astounded at how much the color is still off. You are correct in holding off on the final work if you cannot print anything but black. I do believe that the problem is caused by the number and type of adjustments you have. Could you try a Merge Visible to get a rasterized version and then print to see if any actual image comes through. Your second point about our vision system, eye and brain, both amazes and frustrates me. I will choose some colours and then as you said come back a couple of hours later and wow, those are not what I thought I was choosing. I was seeing what I wanted to see, what I hoped to see. Quote Mac Pro (Late 2013) Mac OS 12.7.6 Affinity Designer 2.5.5 | Affinity Photo 2.5.5 | Affinity Publisher 2.5.5 | Beta versions as they appear. I have never mastered color management, period, so I cannot help with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PLShutterbug Posted December 19, 2021 Author Share Posted December 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Old Bruce said: You are correct in holding off on the final work if you cannot print anything but black. I do believe that the problem is caused by the number and type of adjustments you have. Could you try a Merge Visible to get a rasterized version and then print to see if any actual image comes through. Your second point about our vision system, eye and brain, both amazes and frustrates me. I will choose some colours and then as you said come back a couple of hours later and wow, those are not what I thought I was choosing. I was seeing what I wanted to see, what I hoped to see. I will do that. I actually already did, but then decided to work on the balance some more before trying a print. I saved as JPG once and it did print the image when I opened that file, so I know I can get it to work. I like the idea though of just adding a Merge Visible layer. One thing: do I need to make the other layers invisible when I print with Merge Visible at the top of the stack, or does it matter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
v_kyr Posted December 19, 2021 Share Posted December 19, 2021 24 minutes ago, PLShutterbug said: One thing: do I need to make the other layers invisible when I print with Merge Visible at the top of the stack, or does it matter? Merge visiable layers, merges layers together, aka if 3 layers are visable they will be merged together into one layer. Usually only activated/visual layers should be printed either way here, due to a print operation and you decide by enabling/disabling which will be taken into account at all for your printout from the layers panel! Quote ☛ Affinity Designer 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Photo 1.10.8 ◆ Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 ◆ OSX El Capitan ☛ Affinity V2.3 apps ◆ MacOS Sonoma 14.2 ◆ iPad OS 17.2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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