Ralph

Thanks Walt, I don't want to distract you with my Font woes until I know I have them! But I actually pulled the InDesign example out of the pit! I could equally well have said WORD. It might mainly be PDFs that have been emailed to me and I can blame somebody else🤨. I haven't done my research yet, but it's good to know that it's not necessarily ME. Thanks anyway ...

Thanks Walt - I can always rely on you. Don't know how you do it! I'll try that. It's always gratifying to find that it's not just me - though my list of "not just me" is getting disturbingly long. Do I work differently from the rest of the World? (rhetorical). My next investigation was going to be the absence of fonts - I write something in InDesign, export a PDF, Open the PDF in AfPub and am told all the fonts are missing. I am just starting to wonder where AfPup gets its fonts from, if not from my Windows10 Font Library: or its back to that amazing package - PagePlusX9. Thanks again

The project is to make manuals of 'n' chapters by stitching together the individual chapters for each topic. It has to be easy !!! I want to place/import/insert open a multi page PDF in an AfPub document. Maybe select pages within the PDF to insert. Can I find out how?? Basically, I just want to do what PagePlusX9 does with <Insert> <Publication> <Options> <Insert All pages>. There I can add any part (or parts) of any PDF, at any place in the PagePlus envelope. I'm sure it must be there somewhere in Publisher - I'm just not seeing it. Help please!

That, Walt, is what I call imaginative!

... and the tutorials I have found and searched, Walt, (rather more than 47) are both good and bad. Good as a basic introduction to the topic - bad in that too many stop at Lesson 101. The one you highlight is a fine example. A good Noddy level introduction to the presets but nothing about the 'boat-load of goodies' to which GarryP refers. I say again, it should be easy to (build) multilevel bullet & number lists. By which I mean, at least: specify symbols at each level specify fonts, sizes, colours etc specify tab stops & leaders then manipulate them in the ways GarryP is looking for. The Edit Text Style dialogue box offers options that I have never heard of; which suggests it should possible to do something as essential as bullet & number lists. But I can't work out how. I can work out how in InDesign, Quark, even WORD. IT IS SO FRUSTRATING !!! I find myself asking if it's just that I'm dim - which makes it very comforting to find many others in the same predicament. Over the last couple of months I have been making an effort to convert InDesign and PagePlus files into Affinity Publisher. Nearly every one has been stopped by an issue such as this.

So true about experts expecting mere mortals to have instant understanding of obscure concepts! Conversely, they also seem to find the need to explain simple concepts in excruciating detail. Having said that, "multilevel bullets" ought to be a simple concept. I suspect it's not just that they expect understanding from their inferiors, they also don't entirely understand it themselves. The solution has come in a eureka moment which they cannot extract from the subconscious brain. There's so much brilliant content that I can't understand that I keep backing out to PagePlus! Is there a YouTube yet moderators??

On about every 100th occurrence on my screen I feel the need to go into writing Throughout the UI of all three applications, I find that the logic applied by Serif is "different" from that I have come to use after decades of learning IBM and then Microsoft. Sometimes the Serif "How To" is staring me in the face - if I position my face where my backside would normally reside. I just have to learn a new way of thinking. Sometimes the way things happen are in my (IBM) "Nobody would ever do it that way" bucket. rah1861's text frame management issue falls into that category. I so understand where he is coming from! In these cases I retreat to PagePlus and CorelDraw and PhotoShop for a couple of weeks But it would help if the development teams could put themselves in the position of Mere Microsoft Mortals and maybe even add an alternative ways of doing things based on that logic. Yes - there are a huge number of alternative ways in Affinity, but they are seem to be based on Serif logic. It's simple stuff - Serif put "IT" on the side bar - MS put it on the Menu: serif put "IT" in <Edit>, I'm used to finding it in <File>. And on YouTube, the vocals of "Just click command here" has moved the mouse off the "Here" spot before my rheumy eyes have found it. Keep up the good work Serif People, all three Apps are amazing and go places I have never seen before: and if I explore these dark places I may find the answers I need. The number of gaping holes (currently I am gawping over the lack of "Footnotes" and "Fit Text to Frame" capabilities) gets smaller & smaller and I am increasingly thinking that maybe the hole doesn't exist, I simply haven't delved sufficiently deeply. ........ I would be more than happy if Publisher could cover the content of that magnificent package - PagePlusX9.

What can I say !! THANK YOU - I would never have found that.

Like so much of this superb package, it's easy once you know how! Many thanks. Now I just need to know how to place it as fully editable rather than 'line by line'.

As an occasional user (compared to the 25 hour/day experts!), I have to agree that it is all about what you use - make a list and compare. I find that I keep finding features in PagePlus that I NEED and which Publisher does not support. I am delighted to say that if enough people have the same problem something is often done about it. When I last looked, my list (PagePlus can, Pub can't) comprised only Fitting text to a defined frame. Footnotes & End notes These are significant enough to keep PPX9 on the HDD

Can anybody tell me how to PLACE a PDF of (say) 8 pages such that each PDF page is placed on a separate page in the AffPublisher document? So far I have only managed to load page 1. I'm sure I must be missing an "Options" choice somewhere - as in PagePlusX9.

Using v1.7.1.404 of all three Apps. I tried everything listed by everybodyIN THIS AND OTHER THREADS with no success. I bought Photo & Designer a couple of years ago, using a now-defunct email address and I was wondering if different email addresses had an influence. Rather than buy, I requested a free trial and downloaded Designer & Photo from the site accessed from within Publisher, using my current email address. That didn't work either. I thought that maybe downloading another copy of Publisher from a different Serif site might help. There had been some discussion about Beta versions not working and though I had downloaded v1.7.1.404, I had done so from the Beta stream. . I downloaded Publisher v1.7.1.404 from the store rather than from within the forum. THAT WORKED !!!!!!!!!!!! I don't know which steps had the desired effect, and I can't imagine I will use the Persona option too often --- but it's VERY impressive. I am hoping that the Finance software can find my Product Keys: if not I'll talk to the nice guys at Serif Support

Having been patiently waiting for Personas to be revealed in Publisher, I was eager to test it in today's Customer Release. I was surprised to find that I was faced with an invitation to buy StudioLink for £30++ No mention of this before! Am I missing something?? I bought Photo & Designer in their pre-Release days. StudioLink.afpub

As far in the past as 2014, Dave Harris was envisioning a "Fit text to Frame" tool. Any chance of an update Dave as to when this might happen?

I am seriously impressed by first look at Build #305. (WORD import) - it even makes a pretty good stab at rows, columns & even tables (imported in error on my part) Thank you Serif developers.

.... couldn't have put it better myself

I would like to suggest that the facility to fit text to a frame should be added to the context menu of Text Frames. The "Size Text" option in PagePlus X9 (see attachment) is a good illustration of what I am looking for. The same option can be found in InDesign and Quark. FitText.pdf

Thanks Walt, I appreciate your effort and time. I'd kinda abandoned that approach as an option early in the process, life being too short Basically, it is like expanding a fixed ratio bitmap. Maybe it would work better in conjunction with a spreadsheet to calculate the correct ratio (I'm joking!!!) The other approach is to select all the text and incrementally change the size in the menu until it fits. Also abandoned for same reason. Maybe I'm not making the right sort of document (sic!) but I have yet to find anything I want to do that I can't do as well (or better) in PPX9 - which is somewhat depressing.

Hi Alfred, well, I can't get the same effect! Dragging the disembodied handle (on my OS) stretches the contents as though they were bitmaps. That is, pull down and the text is stretched vertically; its size (and all the other good stuff) is not adjusted to fill the frame. Dragging that handle with the frame & text in different configurations produces some interesting effects, bu not one that I recognise as "Fit Text to Frame" - what Fixx is describing. Fixx, you say "there are many ways to do it". Do you mean "in Publisher"? If so, can you let me in on the secret Is it my OS? Windows 10 Pro, fully committed to Windows Update. Thanks everyone

Yes Walt. I know all that, but I do expect to find that the developers have conducted some "due diligence". Even if PP was never looked at, if the developers think to include "Fit Frame to Text", "Fit Text to Frame" is an obvious corollary, unrelated to any other application. Though the fact that it is standard in both Quark & InDesign would make it (for me) an obvious function to include. There are other functions which are mysteriously missing (such as importing WORD - another thread I'm following) Don't get me wrong, I think there is some ground-breaking material in Apub - I just wish it had been built on a foundation laid by its predecessors. Hey Ho - I'm putting Apub back in its box All the best to everybody

Hi Walt - knew you would be the first responder Yes, you are absolutely right. It is available in PPX9 and it makes life very easy when producing newsletters. Make a frame to fit the space, add text, then right click & <Size Text> to choose the option. Voila, the text is now resized to two places of decimals to exactly flll the space available. I am currently trying to build in PP and Publisher in parallel, 'fitted' in PP with a change in font size from 10pt to 10.06pt (!!) and then ran into trouble with Publisher. There are LOTS of variations available in PPX9 - far more than in INDD. I guess if you don't know about it, it doesn't exist - but I can't see why/how that could happen if "fit frame to text" (of limited value, I find) does exist.

In INDD, and PagePlusX9 I (much more) frequently "go the other way" - fit text to frame. In fact, it's a newsletter life-saver Can't see how to do that in Publisher.

OMG - nobody has posted an answer

In the same vein, there's a host of minor, but really useful UI which appear to be abandoned in AfP :- Is there no Windows Quick Access Toolbar? - Preview, PDF, Print, UnDo, ReDo, Save, New, Open … Where do I get to customise my Windows Quick Access Toolbar? The AfP Quick Access Toolbar seems to be patchy and partially repeated on the Tool Context Menu. Saving and holding defaults (as per embedded/Linked) need to work consistently Preflight & Packaging (as Mandu says) Shape tool icon consistency (square & rounded rectangles get their own icon, all the rest (OK - except ellipse) are subsumed into one. Frame wrap function appears with differing functionality in different places. Text wrap is confused (sic! - and confusing), 2 occurrences (Menu, Icon) with different functionality. Does not exist in Context Menu. What on EARTH is "Ignore text offset" all about ! Apart from the fact it generates lots of mouse clicks. To wrap a text frame around a text frame, both have to have Wrap conditions applied. Outside offset easy to apply. I'm still looking for internal offset -and how to apply line/stroke to border. I'd expect them to all be in the same place. frame wrap does not appear to exist - but put a frame around text and it can be applied using "Text wrap". I hope the designers have just left this lot, and other similar 'simple' functions till late in the development because they know how to implement them and are concentrating on all the stuff which is innovative in a DTP. This probably needs moving to a different thread ??

Thanks fellas, Glad it's not just me.