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If you try to edit a global color from within the Color panel the dialog box disappears. But when you edit that same global color from the Swatches panel you can edit the global color. 

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and you're editing the global color from the tint setting in the color panel ?

 

 


Living the Dream since 1964 - about 25 years left

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I tried. No go. It will not let me edit anything because the dialog box in the Color panel vanishes when I try clicking on the color slider. Poof. Gone. Every time I try selecting it to edit any color. But thankfully I can get around the bug by editing the color in the Swatches panel. But this begs the question why have the color panel open up the dialog box only to vanish when you click on a setting to edit the color?

 

BTW this bug doesn't happen in Affinity Designer because I tested it in there. In that application it works as advertised. You can edit the global color from the Color Panel after opening the dialog box. It doesn't work in Affinity Publisher. This needs a fix. I'm really surprised nobody has caught onto this one and I'm curious why I'm not seeing the phrase "Thanks for finding this. I'll pass this on to development". Can you at least confirm my observations about the bug are correct?

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I cant recreate what you are seeing could you post a sample file to rule out a problem with the file itself.

Do you have any pending updates for the computer ?

Finally can you confirm the version numbers for Publisher and Designer. It's odd that one program works and one doesn't

 


Living the Dream since 1964 - about 25 years left

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Well isn't that interesting. I'm using the Beta version of Publisher which shows it to be 1 7.3.475. But the curious thing is the Beta version of Designer on my Windows 10 machine is showing it to be 1.7 3.476. 

Now tell me where am I missing the beta for Publisher 1.7.3.476? Because I didn't get the memo on this alleged release. Can you clarify that the current beta for Publisher is 1.7.3.475?

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Just downloaded the latest beta for Designer 1.7.3.481. No issues with editing global colors from the Color Panel in this new release. Which begs the question why this issue is happening on the Publisher beta. 

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Indeed that is the mystery - it's not a common occurrance - Can you send a sample file to help us narrow down what it might be.


Living the Dream since 1964 - about 25 years left

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There's no need for me to do this. I get this same issue no matter what document I create. So this happens regardless of the file. It's 100 percent reproducible on my Windows 10 machine 64 bit edition. Again no issues editing global colors from the Color Panel using the latest beta of Designer which is 481. The Publisher beta 475 is having this problem editing global colors using the Color panel specifically the Color Wheel.  The Swatch panel is the only way I can edit the global colors using the Color Wheel in Publisher using the 475 beta. 

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I have once again reproduced the disappearing color wheel issue on the Publisher 475 beta after installing the 481 betas of Designer and Photo. Apparently I can only change or edit the global color using the Color Panel when selecting the exact Swatch in the Color Panel by selecting the correct Swatch from the dropdown dialog box. But when I choose the Color wheel to edit the global color in the Color Panel - it vanishes. To use the Color wheel without having it vanish I have to use the Swatches panel only. 

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I am experiencing the same but cannot recall how exactly it used to behave -- badly, anyway, so I hope this is a sign that this feature is now under development. 

Anyway: the library colors should not be editable so the Edit menu command should be disabled whenever a library swatch is selected. Then it would be nice if any library swatch selected would be automatically added to the document palette (which would be created automatically if not already existing), or that document palette would be made as a separate control for easier handling, and that when a swatch on a document palette is edited, its color values could be updated by command as the new color name (or made an automatically updatable name, if desired), tints and shades based on 100% color value would retain their parenthood, etc., etc.

It is a long list but it seems there is little point in commenting a feature that does not yet operate as planned (I hope there are plans, anyway).. 

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Just to be clear can a video be posted of the proble occurring please - we need to see exactly what is happening


Living the Dream since 1964 - about 25 years left

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4 hours ago, Pauls said:

Just to be clear can a video be posted of the proble occurring please - we need to see exactly what is happening

I currently can't do that but here's the equation that shows the problem - 

Swatches Panel = color wheel stays visible and editable. Good. 

Color Panel = color wheel vanishes when trying to edit colors. Bad.

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One thing to try is holding the control key down when running up the application. This will give you the option to 'reset  studio' and  'Dont restore window and documents'. That may cure the problem.

Do you have 2 or more monitors using different DPI settings ?

 


Living the Dream since 1964 - about 25 years left

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7 minutes ago, Pauls said:

One thing to try is holding the control key down when running up the application. This will give you the option to 'reset  studio' and  'Dont restore window and documents'. That may cure the problem.

Do you have 2 or more monitors using different DPI settings ?

 

I believe the issue is the current setting for the color panel. I think you're correct when you asked whether the setting for the Color panel was on tint. I now believe it was and when I checked it for using the color wheel the issue seems to have disappeared. So I think the disappearing color wheel happens when the initial setting is set to tint and not for the color wheel. However this issue may not be solved yet because I have to precisely locate where this problem happens because the Color wheel on the Color Panel was disappearing and I need to carefully retrace when this issue happens because I i wasn't imagining it. The Color Wheel did vanish when I tried editing a global color after selecting that option from the Swatches Panel. I just need to figure out why this was happening in the first place. Was it because the initial setting for the Color Panel was set for tint? I don't know yet. 

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I am not sure if I am talking about the same problem as the OP:

1) Create an object and assign it a pre-defined color values from the Colors palette, like HSL 339,90,50, then right click the swatch and choose "Edit Fill". 

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2) Change the color value whatever you wish, using whatever color model or color definition control, but the color value of the swatch does not change, nor does the color of the selected object, nor will there be the defined color swatch added to the document palette:

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So whatever is done here is useless, and for a good reason: why should anyone want to or be allowed to "edit" a library swatch? It is perfecly fine to allow editing just a color value of an object, or allow changing a color value of a swatch that existis in the document palette, but editing a library color just does not make sense.

I don't know if this is a result of a combination of having latest beta versions of all three apps installed on the same system, as Publisher lags behind at the moment from Photo and Designer, but as said, color palettes have been (IMO) a mess in Affinity apps right from the beginning, so personally I see any change in the feature as a sign that there are some intentions to improve the thing...

 

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I agree there is a lot of work to be done with the Color Swatches. Adding a global color is a real pain because once you add a global color the Swatch disappears forcing you to reopen the Swatch just to select another global color. The only workaround I've seen is manually adding a color from a swatch and choosing the option to add that color as a global color as opposed to choosing to add a global color as your first choice. Because in that case the Swatch panel disappears and forces you to reopen the Swatch to select a global color. I miss CorelDraw for this reason because in that one I could open color Swatches and they would stay open permanently allowing me to choose any color instantly. Affinity forces me to play.the game of hide and seek. 

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For me the least painful way to add global colors is to first create a rectangle for each main color that I need in the document, e.g. five rectangles for five colors. Then I open the Swatches panel and create the document palette.

Then I seleect first of the rectangles.

if I need spot colors, I activate one of the Pantone color libraries, and assign the selected rectangle a PMS color value.

If I need CMYK color swatches, etc., I detach the Color panel, activate the slider controls and choose the desired color value.

Then I select the next rectangle and repeat the process, and so on, until i have all main document colors defined.

After this I activate the document palette from the Swatches panel, select the rectangles one by one, and click "Add fill to palette". This way I get color definitions as swatch names. Then I right click each swatch in the document palette that I want to make globar, and select "Make Global" from the context menu.

This way I can avoid most of the back and forth hassle, and can also have meaningful swatch names.

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EDIT: If you instead prefer the global colors to have your own custom swatch names, you'd naturally click the right plus button to have a generic name and made it immediately global. Then editing can be simply achieved by double clicking the swatch in the document palette. But if you have the global swatches with color values, this is not a good idea as you cannot have the color names updated to match the new definition. It is a better idea to just create a new global swatch rather than seeing the trouble of renaming the swatch.

 

 

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