FrankJ Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 Hi there, the colour settings of Designer and Publisher are the same in my case but when creating a CMYK Black (0/0/0/100), it looks different (in Designer, black appears more as kind of brown). Config.: MacBook Pro 2012 13", MacOS 10.15.7, Affinity 2.5.2, Screen: Eizo 2431S Attached Screenshot Designer (RGB value of the colour in Digital Color Meter R46 G32 B20) Attached Screenshot Publisher (RGB value of the colour in Digital Color Meter R35 G30 B32) When creating PDF X4 files, the colours are different as well. Thank you in advance for help. Frank Quote
Hangman Posted June 18, 2024 Posted June 18, 2024 Hi @FrankJ and welcome to the forums, Go to File > Document Setup in both apps, check both your Designer and Publisher documents use a CMYK colour space and both use the same colour profile… Quote Affinity Designer 2.6.3 | Affinity Photo 2.6.3 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.3 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse
FrankJ Posted June 18, 2024 Author Posted June 18, 2024 Hi Hangman, thank you – indeed, I forgot to set the documents to CMYK and the right profile. Now the PDF output is fine in Designer as well but the colour appearence of CMYK Black in Designer like described is still valid. Any more idea? Kind regards, Frank Quote
Hangman Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 Hi @FrankJ, Which colour profile are you using for both documents? For both documents, if you click on the Padlock icon to the left of the Colourspace drop down in the Colour palette so it is unlocked then select the black square, does it still show C:0 M:0 Y:0 K:100. Quote Affinity Designer 2.6.3 | Affinity Photo 2.6.3 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.3 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse
FrankJ Posted June 19, 2024 Author Posted June 19, 2024 Hi Hangman, the colour profile in both files is Uncoated FOGRA 29 but there's no change on screen when using other profiles. Also no change by unlocking the padlock and select the square. It always shows C0/M0/Y0/K100. I also tried in the colour settings if "blackpoint compensation" or the use of different rendering intents have an effect, but there's no change either. When adding 30% Cyan, which was sometimes done in the past to achieve a deeper black in the print, the colour shows also more black on screen. But this is of course no solution. I tested it with blank documents and it is replicable in my case. At least the good thing is that the PDF output is fine now after your hint to define the document colour space to CMYK (what I should not have forgotten after working with Design on Macs since 1989). Quote
Hangman Posted June 19, 2024 Posted June 19, 2024 Hi @FrankJ, Could you upload your Designer and Publisher documents containing the black squares along with the exported PDF files from both as that will allow us to determine where the discrepancy might be… Quote Affinity Designer 2.6.3 | Affinity Photo 2.6.3 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.3 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse
FrankJ Posted June 21, 2024 Author Posted June 21, 2024 Hi Hangman, thank you in advance for checking the files. You find them attached. I now saw that the CMYK Black is appearing in the mentioned brown in both Designer and Publischer but when exporting to PDF, the appearence is fine. I don't know why there is a difference to my original post as I have not changed the configuration. Kind regards, Frank Archiv.zip Quote
Hangman Posted June 22, 2024 Posted June 22, 2024 Hi @FrankJ, Thanks for the files, both are as you mentioned okay and use the same colour profile with Black defined as K100. I believe the reason they both appear brownish is because modern CMYK profiles preview the expected transparency of black ink on the press with each profile designed for a specific purpose... If this is the profile your print company has requested along with the make-up for printing black then all should be good. Quote Affinity Designer 2.6.3 | Affinity Photo 2.6.3 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.3 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse
FrankJ Posted June 22, 2024 Author Posted June 22, 2024 Hi @Hangman, thank you for checking! Your assumption may be correct, although the brown colour actually appears with all CMYK profiles. When I used to work with InDesign, the screen colour was also black for CMYK profiles. However, this is now only a cosmetic problem, unlike Affinity Designer 1, where the PDF output was not correct for C0 M0 Y0 K100, which required post-processing in the PDF. However, this is now only a cosmetic problem, unlike Affinity Designer 1, where the PDF output was not correct for C0 M0 Y0 K100, which required post-processing in the PDF. Yes, I used this profile for various printed materials, as the printing was done on high quality uncoated paper. The print shop itself did not want to have a profile included, but as far as I know it is not possible to exclude print profiles. In any case, this profile produced good results. I'm happy to work with the Affinity suite, because in addition to the no-subscription advantage, I can work much better with Designer than with Illustrator, for example. Publisher is also very good and not as fiddly as InDesign, even if it still doesn't quite come close to the range of functions. Quote
Hangman Posted June 23, 2024 Posted June 23, 2024 Hi @FrankJ, I'm unsure of the methodology used by InDesign when displaying profiles on screen, it may be different to that of the Affinity apps but I'm sure someone here will be able to confirm... 14 hours ago, FrankJ said: However, this is now only a cosmetic problem, unlike Affinity Designer 1, where the PDF output was not correct for C0 M0 Y0 K100, which required post-processing in the PDF. What was the issue in v1 specifically, was it related to a particular PDF Export Version or Profile? 14 hours ago, FrankJ said: The print shop itself did not want to have a profile included, but as far as I know it is not possible to exclude print profiles. If you ensure 'Embed profiles' is unchecked in the PDF Export Advanced Section when exporting your PDF file will be unprofiled which is what your print shop is looking for... R C-R 1 Quote Affinity Designer 2.6.3 | Affinity Photo 2.6.3 | Affinity Publisher 2.6.3 MacBook Pro M3 Max, 36 GB Unified Memory, macOS Sonoma 14.6.1, Magic Mouse HP ENVY x360, 8 GB RAM, AMD Ryzen 5 2500U, Windows 10 Home, Logitech Mouse
Dan C Posted June 24, 2024 Posted June 24, 2024 On 6/22/2024 at 9:13 PM, FrankJ said: When I used to work with InDesign, the screen colour was also black for CMYK profiles 23 hours ago, Hangman said: I'm unsure of the methodology used by InDesign when displaying profiles on screen, it may be different to that of the Affinity apps but I'm sure someone here will be able to confirm... As outlined in the below article, the Affinity apps perform 'Document to Screen' colour profile conversion - that I understand other apps may not do in the same way. This means that when viewing a document in Affinity apps, both the ICC profile applied to your monitor, and the Colour Space / ICC profile assigned to the document will be used to convert and display the colours in the app. https://affinityspotlight.com/article/display-colour-management-in-the-affinity-apps/ This can mean that CMYK 'Black' can appear with a brown/reddish hue - but should print/export as 100K only as expected. I hope this clears things up Hangman 1 Quote
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