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Been using symbols for making repeat patterns. However, there seems to be a bug where the odd vector shape seems not to display as it should in some instances. I have seen other people mentioning this issue on the forums too. The suggested solution is to place a copy of the shape over where's its missing, but this causes issues if blend modes are used.

In screenshot 1. The orange triangles display as expected in 5 of the instances, but in 3 they are incorrectly displayed. Master is the center of the 9 squares.

In screenshot 2. The orange diamond displays as expected in all but 1 instance.

In screenshot 3. I have copied the orange triangle to try to overcome the issue but it causes problems with the consistency of blends modes.

In screenshot 4. I have moved the repeats to the side and it shows the orange triangle is there but does not appear to display on the correct level of the layers stack.

 

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To me, at first glance, it just looks like the ordering of the layers in the “FULL-DROP” layer could be wrong.

For instance, in your first example, the top-right layer looks like it should be above (in the layer stack) the layer to its left, and that should be above the layer to its left.

Or maybe I’m just not seeing the problem properly.

Would you be able to share the document so we can experiment with it? (Without being able to see how the document is constructed it may be difficult to diagnose what’s happening.)

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4 minutes ago, GarryP said:

To me, at first glance, it just looks like the ordering of the layers in the “FULL-DROP” layer could be wrong.

I believe it is exactly that...

The symbols need to be ordered in the Layer stack from bottom right to bottom left, centre right to centre left and upper right to upper left...

Corrected Layer Order

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Thank you GaryP and Hangman.

You are correct it was all to do with the order in the layer stack. The center Symbol was at the top of the Stack and causing the issue. Moving it to its rightful place as you suggested Hangman solved it. 5* for the video a visual guide it was ideal. I was using a template that had the center Symbol (labelled as "Pattern") at the top and the other 8 under a Group (labelled "Full-Drop).

It is very much appreciated your prompt and helpful responses.

Cheers.

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I am wondering if this if expected behavior?

Having got my Symbols in the correct order to resolve my first issue. I now have discovered the placement of shapes within a Square symbol has very different results.

In the first screenshot the orange diamond repeats as expected (for me) when its placed in the bottom right corner of the central square symbol. In the other examples the orange diamond is place in each of the other corners with very different results.

I thought that Symbols were essentially clones of each other.

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Hi @Nick808,

If you nest the triangles (pattern) inside a square the same size as the main background layer, ensuring you have elements that overap the square repeated on the appropriate sides the layer order of the symbols won't matter...

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Thanks again Hangman.

I will give that ago. Liked the dropping into the crop, didn't know you could do that.

Part of the reason for having this setup is so you can see the pattern developing and its easier to spot if the pattern works as you work on it.

Thanks again.

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