Problems with vertical justification

[AuthorSP]

Hello, I'm making some good progress with figuring out Publisher, but having a bit of an issue with even justification from one page to the next. In Indesign, I would have "Keep" and "Justification" options that would make sure the text was justified properly, but I can't seem to find the right settings in Publisher. For instance, I chose to justify all the text and then found the setting for "Vertical Alignment" and chose "Justify". On Indesign, my text flows evenly between pages, staying justified to the left and right and up and down. But in Publisher, I'm having the problem you see on the upper right part of the image, where a paragraph ends. Any suggestions? Thanks for any help!

 

[AuthorSP]

These are the settings I used in inDesign:

[loukash]

It's all in the Paragraph panel. All those options are also available as Text Styles.
Further options are in the Text Frame panel. Those are not part of text styles, but they can be saved as object styles via the Styles panel.

[AuthorSP]

5 hours ago, loukash said:

It's all in the Paragraph panel. All those options are also available as Text Styles.
Further options are in the Text Frame panel. Those are not part of text styles, but they can be saved as object styles via the Styles panel.

Thanks. I know some of the options are there, but it seems not all of them are. For instance, in my example above, those settings in Indesign allow the layout of the text from page to page to adjust so that there are no orphan lines at the beginning or end of paragraphs, as well as no gaps at the end of a page if preventing orphans would cause one (as in the example on the first post).

So is it possible to make the settings have the same effect in Publisher, or is it just an issue that Publisher does not have the same capabilities as Indesign in this respect? This is sort of a big deal, as a professional book layout will not have those gaps.

 

[loukash]

1 minute ago, AuthorSP said:

no orphan lines at the beginning or end of paragraphs

Paragraph panel > Flow options

2 minutes ago, AuthorSP said:

no gaps at the end of a page if preventing orphans would cause one (as in the example on the first post)

This is likely managed by the Adobe Paragraph Composer which is a great InDesign feature but which Affinity doesn't have, obviously. 
Use Paragraph > Justification to adjust the offending paragraph manually. (Just like we did for decades before there was such a thing as the A.P.C.)

6 minutes ago, AuthorSP said:

as a professional book layout will not have those gaps.

A professional designer knows which tools to use to avoid such gaps, even in Affinity Publisher.  
Yes, sometimes a few workarounds or manual adjustments are needed. Publisher is not an InDesign clone.
(When I think of how we did things in Aldus PageMaker 4 or in QuarkXPress 3… my goodness… )

[AuthorSP]

Ok, so it sounds like I have to figure out how to manually line up the individual pages?

Any pointers on how to go about that? I've been trying different settings. For instance, on the first page, I selected all the text and looked in the "text frame options", then "vertical position" and chose "justify vertically". That made the text on the first page fill the text box, but when I tried to do that on the next pages, clicking the vertical position options didn't seem to make any changes.

Is it a process of going page by page and altering the spacing just enough to make it line up? 

[loukash]

Text frame attributes affect only the currectly selected text frame(s). If you want to have the same attributes on all pages, you must apply them to the text frame on your master page.

[AuthorSP]

36 minutes ago, loukash said:

Text frame attributes affect only the currectly selected text frame(s). If you want to have the same attributes on all pages, you must apply them to the text frame on your master page.

Thanks, I had just figured that out. When I went into the master page for the main text pages, I set the vertical justification for the text box, then set the "Flow Options" to prevent orphaned first and last lines. Voila! It now looks like it correctly spaces all the pages and I no longer have one line orphans or gaps at the end of pages!

But now I have a new issue. The very last page of text is only about half full. The vertical justification spaces it out too much, of course, so I tried to select the text, or the text frame and set it to "Top Align", but it won't let me. I assume this is because it is set in the master. 

Is there a way to over-ride the master for this setting? Or do I have to make a master that only applies to the last page and apply it to that one page? I have done that and it seems to work, but I am not sure of how the law of unintended consequences will work out here, since I'm new to this and not sure of all the inter-relations.

Thanks!

[thomaso]

4 hours ago, AuthorSP said:

But now I have a new issue. The very last page of text is only about half full. The vertical justification spaces it out too much, of course, so I tried to select the text, or the text frame and set it to "Top Align", but it won't let me. I assume this is because it is set in the master. 

Is there a way to over-ride the master for this setting?

Select the master page layer on the desired page and choose "Edit Detached" to be enabled to edit the text frame.

If you want all text frames having the same leading you alternatively can use a (document) baseline grid instead of vertical justification. This would maintain a certain leading regardless of a) the amount of text and b) the font size and c) the frame position. Alternatively a text frame can have its own baseline grid, that would move with the frame position.