Possible bug: Rasterize layer / master page

[Mooxo]

I'm not sure if this is a bug or expected behaviour. If expected, it's weird:

Rasterising a vector placed into a frame from a master page renders that layer completely un-editable. It's not even possible to delete it.

This happens on the mac and iPad, and happens in v1 as well as v2. Once you rasterise the vector, it's there to stay and there is no way I've found of removing it, you cannot even change its opacity or resize it. 

Doing the same thing on an image within a frame that is not part of a master page does not exhibit this behaviour.

[MikeTO]

I tested this and duplicated part of your problem but I was able to delete the frame. I've attached a simple test EPS for demonstration purposes but as you said it should happen with any vector image.

1. Created a Publisher doc
2. Draw a picture frame on Master A
3. On page 1, place test.eps into the master frame
4. On Master A, rasterize the frame - the frame becomes a pixel layer but is no longer selectable. The layer is still in the panel but there is no object on the page. It can be deleted via the panel.
5. On page 1, you now have an empty pixel layer AND the original frame containing test.eps
6. With Layer > Master Page > Edit Detached you can delete both layers

The problem is you shouldn't be able to rasterize a picture frame on a master even if it has placeholder content, it just doesn't make any sense that you're able to do this. So the fix is that Rasterize should be disabled on master pages. If being able to rasterize the page content placed into a master frame is a desirable feature, it would need to create a rasterization group similar to a warp group so that anything later placed into the frame was rasterized. I don't think anybody is clamouring for this feature so just disabling the menu command should be sufficient.

test.eps

[Mooxo]

Sorry I probably wasn't clear in my original posting. I'm not rasterising the image on the master page, I'm rasterising it on the regular page. For clarity:

1. Place a frame on Master A
2. On a regular page (with Master A applied), place a vector in that frame (I've tested SVG and EPS).
3. Still on the regular page, rasterise that image. 

That image layer is now un-editable and cannot be deleted.

[MikeTO]

1 minute ago, Mooxo said:

Sorry I probably wasn't clear in my original posting. I'm not rasterising the image on the master page, I'm rasterising it on the regular page, which doesn't seem unreasonable?

How are you rasterizing a master frame on a regular page? The command is disabled in the context menus for me. If I edit the master detached I'm able to rasterize the frame but then I'm able to delete that pixel layer via the Layers panel.

 

[Mooxo]

I'm rasterising the image inside the frame, not the frame. I select the image in the layers panel, right click and select Rasterise. On the iPad I do the same but select the rasterise option from the button at the top of the layers panel. 

[MikeTO]

9 minutes ago, Mooxo said:

I'm rasterising the image inside the frame, not the frame. I select the image in the layers panel, right click and select Rasterise. On the iPad I do the same but select the rasterise option from the button at the top of the layers panel. 

Oh, now I see. The steps to reproduce the bug are:

1. Created a Publisher doc
2. Draw a picture frame on Master A
3. On page 1, place test.eps into the master frame
4. Select the image within the frame - this layer can be deleted if you want
5. Rasterize the layer - this layer cannot be deleted now

There is a workaround however - if you choose Layer > Master Page > Edit Detached you can delete the pixel layer.

Cheers

[Mooxo]

Yes, partial workaround. But you cannot hide the layer, change its opacity, resize it, or edit it in any other way. So you have to be sure your image is exactly as you want before rasterising, or delete it and start over.

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Mooxo said:

Yes, partial workaround. But you cannot hide the layer, change its opacity, resize it, or edit it in any other way. So you have to be sure your image is exactly as you want before rasterising, or delete it and start over.

Once you have made the object part of the Master Page layer on the document page, you must use Edit Detached if you want to change its properties.

[Mooxo]

5 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

Once you have made the object part of the Master Page layer on the document page, you must use Edit Detached if you want to change its properties.

But only if it is rasterised, which doesn't make any sense. You can still change properties if it is not rasterised.

[walt.farrell]

1 hour ago, Mooxo said:

But only if it is rasterised, which doesn't make any sense. You can still change properties if it is not rasterised.

What does the Layers panel show before and then after rasterizing?

 

[Mooxo]

14 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

What does the Layers panel show before and then after rasterizing?

 

Exactly the same thing, except the tiny icon changes from vector to pixel.

[walt.farrell]

4 hours ago, Mooxo said:

Exactly the same thing, except the tiny icon changes from vector to pixel.

Can we see a screenshot, please, before and after.

[Mooxo]

Here you go. 

1. SVG file (embedded). The layer can be hidden, resized, opacity changed, deleted, etc.

2. Rasterised the SVG. The layer can no longer be hidden, resized, opacity changed, or deleted.

[walt.farrell]

Thanks. That helps me understand.

I see this topic has been tagged with a bug reference number (afb-6873) so it is  apparently recognized as a problem.