ashf Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Would be nice if you could enable K Only option for RGB mode as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 Thing is, there is no "K" in "RGB". Only "R", "G", and "B"… (And the invisible "A".) Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashf Posted May 18, 2021 Author Share Posted May 18, 2021 1 hour ago, loukash said: Thing is, there is no "K" in "RGB". Only "R", "G", and "B"… (And the invisible "A".) Yes, I know. I mean I'm asking Serif to make colorizing the image possible in the same way as in CMYK document. Illustrator can do that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, ashf said: Yes, I know. I mean I'm asking Serif to make colorizing the image possible in the same way as CMYK document. That's not at all clear from your initial description, so perhaps you should provide more details and possibly an example, so it's clear what you want. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted May 18, 2021 Share Posted May 18, 2021 However, guessing at what you want, I think it's already possible. You can adjust the Fill of an Image layer (not a Pixel layer) using the Fill or Gradient Tools, and that will recolor that layer. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashf Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 Really? it's different on my side. The image layer without K only will be monotone-ish(total white and total black part will remain as is) when apply a color. but it's not exactly the same color as specified. It seems that once the K only is enabled in CMYK mode, it will be inherited even if the document is converted to RGB mode. But the color can not be applied to the image just placed. (you see thin red border around the logo, that's the color I applied) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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loukash Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 9 hours ago, ashf said: colorizing the image possible in the same way as in CMYK document There's no point in doing that. In CMYK, you're colorizing because you want it to print on a specific spot color plate or use a specific CMYK tint. In RGB, you don't specify any print plates. In RGB, if you want to colorize a placed RGB image "on the fly", without adding adjustment or filter layers, you can do it pretty simply like this: place an RGB image: make it b/w using the Gradient Overlay effect set to black-to-black "gradient" and e.g. Saturation blend mode: colorize using the Color Overlay effect e.g. in the Screen mode: ashf 1 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashf Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 Thank you. Though Illustrator can just apply a color to the image using the fill regardless of which color mode. This would be quicker and intuitive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, ashf said: Illustrator can just apply a color to the image using the fill Well, and obviously it took them a few decades to implement this, because my AI CS5 can't. And frankly, I have absolutely no idea how to even colorize a placed RGB bitmap image in CS5… I vaguely remember I was trying to figure it out while working on a (CMYK) LP cover layout draft a few years back where I wanted a "K only"-like photo colorization, and ended up converting all images to grayscale and reimporting to make it even work. Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 16 minutes ago, loukash said: I have absolutely no idea how to even colorize a placed RGB bitmap image in CS5… Alright, I've figured it out: In AI CS5 the technique is… wait for it… basically the same as in Affinity per my example above, except more complicated because first you have to add a clipping path to the placed image, then convert it back to regular path while keeping it grouped with the image, then you can apply multiple fills to the path which is now same size as the image below. Of course, you can do the same workflow in Affinity as well, but why should you, when you can do everything with just layer effects directly on the image layer? ashf 1 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashf Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 38 minutes ago, loukash said: Alright, I've figured it out: In AI CS5 the technique is… wait for it… basically the same as in Affinity per my example above, except more complicated because first you have to add a clipping path to the placed image, then convert it back to regular path while keeping it grouped with the image, then you can apply multiple fills to the path which is now same size as the image below. Of course, you can do the same workflow in Affinity as well, but why should you, when you can do everything with just layer effects directly on the image layer? I think you can colorize the image in RGB mode if it's 1 bit or grayscale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ashf Posted May 19, 2021 Author Share Posted May 19, 2021 Of course I won't use RGB image in Affintiy as well. I use only a grayscale or a 1bit image because a color image won't be needed for this purpose. Like I mentioned "document" color format is the key. not a placed image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, ashf said: you can colorize the image in RGB mode if it's 1 bit or grayscale Exactly. Which means you must convert it first outside Illustrator before you can colorize it. Anyway… ~~~ Now I vaguely rememeber a Serif staff post earlier this year (or older?) that the lack of the "K Only" option in RGB documents is "by design", because, well, there is no "K". ashf 1 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loukash Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 1 minute ago, ashf said: I use only a grayscale or a 1bit image because a color image won't be needed for this purpose … and that's where the Color Overlay effect does exactly what you want, and even in just one step because you don't need the other gradient overlay to convert to grayscale. ashf 1 Quote MacBookAir 15": MacOS Ventura > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // MacBookPro 15" mid-2012: MacOS El Capitan > Affinity v1 / MacOS Catalina > Affinity v1, v2, v2 beta // iPad 8th: iPadOS 16 > Affinity v2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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