manu schwendener

> We hadn't really considered the case where a user would reenter the crop tool after cropping before I use that a lot: I make postcards from my photos and I always need several tries until I have found the crop that works best. But my intuitive workflow would be – select area (with preset proportions) – crop If I then want to adjust the crop, my impuls is cmd+z (= one step back = I see the whole photo again, including the rectangle I chose before, but with the parts outside the recangle visible again). Of course I can learn to use "click on the crop tool again" instead, and I'm looking forward to having that option. Just want to let you know that cmd+z would be the logical step for me to get there.

> you don’t need the option of replacing an existing crop area with a new one from scratch? I don't think so, no. > You basically only want to adjust the crop area, when returning to an already made crop?  Yes. > my video This is with Reveal disabled. I was talking about Reveal enabled.

Reveal enabled: > there should be a slider in the preferences that allows the user to adjust the opacity of the area outside the crop area Yes > I find the current area outside the crop area too bright. Me too > Click and drag outside to rotate I agree > Click and drag handles to resize I agree > Click and drag inside to create new crop I don't agree. To be consistent it needs to be "Click and drag inside to reposition" > ... create new crop You resize and/or reposition and/or rotate, then you press enter. > Click and drag frame Not necessary

> 1.6.7 it also doesn't show the cropped parts when you go back to the Crop Tool again That is true. It is an enhancement in .110

> I was asking if you think they should be mutually exclusive. Ah. Thank you. 1) When Reveal is enabled, both should be possible: move and resize 2) When Reveal is disabled, I don't really care. Take the one that's easier to program. ----- I have another "problem" with this, though: I would like to use the behaviour of 1) "Reveal enabled" But I would also like my background to be dark, which I could achieve by unchecking Reveal. But then I lose the functionality of 1)

> With Reveal enabled, I would want the crop to move as opposed to be resized. Why are they mutually exclusive? What I would like to happen: - I crop a photo - I have Reveal enabled - I click on the Crop Tool again - This shows me the original photo outside of the lines of my previous crop - Now I can decide if I want to move or resize the crop, just as I can when I use the Crop Tool for the first time

It comes at a cost, though: I have to deactivate 'Reveal', which doesn't only hide the bright background but also the parts of the photo that I cropped off (if I click on the Crop Tool again).

Ah. (It shows me the rest of the photo, thank you. But it also turns the background bright, which I'd rather have set to dark.) I agree with your post 1 then: it should be possible to reposition the crop frame by dragging it, also when you reselect the Crop Tool.

I'm not seeing that behaviour in beta, either (on MacBook Pro).

> rotating the image in the crop area has become more laggy in the last betas If I open the same photo in Beta.110 and in 1.6.7 there isn't a visible difference for me. I see what you mean with laggy, but no obvious difference between those versions. Again, maybe related to me working directly on the background layer.

Your movies are intresting, A_B_C! Are you using AP on Windows? (Probably not, because you have been posting here since before the windows version existed.) AP has never behaved like this for me. – I apply a crop – I reselect the crop tool => This has never shown me the part of the photo again that I've cropped off in step 1. Never in the sense of 'since before AP officially launched'. I don't use layers, can the difference be related to that?

> Isn't this how it's always been? I think so, too. And I use cropping a lot. > I would believe that a user who selects the Crop Tool after having made a crop is more likely to intend to adjust the crop > (either by moving the handles or by repositioning the frame) than to start anew from scratch. I absolutely agree. My proposition (AFP-413) was to not undo everything when I click cmd+z but only undo the cropping, while keeping the crop area marked as I had set it before – so I can adjust _a bit_ without having to start from scratch. > what about … uhm … sticky settings .110: "Crop tool remembers settings for darken, reveal, overlay. More to follow."

It would also be good if the cropping ratio could be made sticky, so it remembers what I last used. (I make postcards from my photos, so I mainly use 5 preset custom ratios.)

Fixed in Beta 1.7.0.110 8)

This is doubly fixed in .110, thank you! – I can see 'Overlay' in the context bar without an extra click AND – the setting for Overlay is sticky now This makes my workflow so much smoother.