Shane111 Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Hi All, Newbie here and I'm hitting an apparent limitation with what I'm trying to do that's causing crashes, hoping for some helpful tips from the experts here. I did look for answers on the forum and elsewhere but nothing so far has helped. I'm trying to replicate the kind of art that I used to do by hand (and compass) in the real world (see attached image) and I'd like to print what I digitally come up with at up to 100x100cm. I've had no problem yet doing the precision geometry and some small works (still early days :)), but when I try to use the vector flood tool on (large?) complex designs it crashes. I've tried limiting the amount of geometry in particular layers but when I select 2 or more layers simultaneously (which I need to see to color them) it's often an issue. I'm just hoping one way or another I can get this to work as so far I'm enjoying the whole process. Thanks, Shane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Hi @Shane111 and welcome to the forums, Can you upload a sample file so we can take a look at the geometry used and test it with the Vector Flood Fill tool? Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2437) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane111 Posted January 17 Author Share Posted January 17 Howdy Hangman, Hopefully this is what you're asking for. The center ring (layer 1) works for me but beyond that it's crashland. Perhaps I'm just asking too much and I'll have to get really methodical with layering to make it work. What's your thoughts? geometry #1.afdesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted January 17 Share Posted January 17 Hi @Shane111, Many thanks for the file... I'm certainly seeing the same issue when selecting different layer combinations, e.g., Layer 1 and 2 or Layer 2 and 3 though selecting Layer 1 and 3 seems to be okay working with the Vector Flood Fill tool... Designer appears to struggle to process what in reality isn't a great deal of information regardless of whether Hardware Acceleration is enabled or not... I see absolutely nothing wrong with the geometry, it's pretty straightforward so this looks like a bug to me... I think the team at Serif need to take a look at your file to see if they can determine why something so relatively simple is causing Designer to crash... I've attached a crash report in the hope it may highlight an issue... Crash Report Affinity Designer 2 Affinity Store-2024-01-17-170520.ips Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2437) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane111 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Thanks Hangman, Good to know it's not something I'm doing wrong but bad to know there's not much I can do about it. Let's hope it gets sorted shortly or I think I'll have to look elsewhere to do my thing. Please keep this thread updated with any relevant news you come across and I'll submit crash reports for any future issues I run into. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Hi @Shane111, It doesn't affect the fact that Designer is crashing but I did note in your file you have a duplicate circle in both Layer 1 and Layer 3 highlighted in Magenta below... I recreated your graphic using a different technique but I see exactly the same crash so it does appear as though Designer's Vector Flood Fill tool finds what I would consider a relatively straightforward graphic too complex to process... This is the version I created... geometry v2.afdesign This is the Crash Report from simply selecting two of the Layers and the Vector Flood Fill tool... Crash Report Affinity Designer 2 Affinity Store-2024-01-18-085952.ips Hopefully, someone from the Moderation or Development team can provide some feedback as to the cause of the crash... Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2437) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane111 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 Thanks Hangman, I'm not surprised there's extra circles, it can get a bit confusing in there at times😀 I've also had crashes with what I consider simpler drawings. For those who end up crunching the numbers on this thing, I think for me a 5x improvement would be great, 3x would probably be functional in most cases and 10x would be an almost infinite horizon that I doubt anyone would ever see. Hope that helps. Hangman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Is there a specific setting you are using when applying the Flood Fill tool? I have been experimenting on these designs on a Windows computer and have not experienced any crash so far, but perhaps I am doing something differently. I have just randomly filled in shapes while having all layers selected, switching isertion and fill modes, clicking one shape at a time, or holding down for tens of seconds and filling continuously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Hi @lacerto, It could be Mac specific... Selecting Layer 1 is no problem likewise selecting Layers 1 and 3 and there's no problem and they happily work with the Vector Flood tool but as soon as you select, e.g. Layers 1 and 2 or Layers 2 and 3 on Mac there is an instant crash... Initially, I thought it may be an issue with Layer 2 as that seemed to be the common denominator but as mentioned above (and attached) I recreated the file from scratch using a different technique with exactly the same outcome... Can you give it a try on Mac and see if you see the same issue? Vector Fill.mp4 Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2437) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shane111 Posted January 18 Author Share Posted January 18 (edited) Hi lacerto, I don't think I'm doing anything wrong but I could be wrong about that😀. The problem for me (and Hangman it seems) is that with the fill tool selected I can't select more than one layer at a time (in above drawing) without Designer crashing. I'm on an old mac mini (late 2012) running 10-15 so I know I'm on the edge of what this program supports. However I've watched the activity monitor while the crashing goes on and it barely blips, I doubt that's the issue. Happy it seems to be working for you but I'm never going back to Windows😀 Cheers Edited January 18 by Shane111 typo Hangman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 minute ago, Shane111 said: I don't think I'm doing anything wrong but I could be wrong about that😀. The problem for me (and Hangman it seems) is that with the fill tool selected I can't select more than one layer at a time (in above drawing) without Designer crashing. Same for me regarding selecting different combinations of Layers... Even when selecting the Vector Flood Fill tool first and then selecting Layer 1, all is fine, Shift Click and select Layer 2 and there is an instant crash with both @Shane111's file and the file I created from scratch... Shane111 1 Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2437) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lacerto Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Yes, on macOS there is an immediate crash already when selecting multiple layers (and having Vector Flood Fill Tool active). On Windows there does not seem to be problems (which is good news, since there is probably just some blunder that messes this up on macOS): vectorflood.mp4 Hangman and Shane111 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted January 20 Share Posted January 20 The threshold on Mac for a crash seems pretty low but also depends on the size of the canvas and the size of the object... For example, taking a 100 mm diameter ellipse (or any shape) on a 700 mm square canvas, offsetting its origin, duplicating it 999 times and rotating it through 360° then selecting the Vector Flood Fill tool results in a 'Calculations timed out'... Repeat, this time duplicating 159 times, then simply selecting the Vector Flood Fill tool causes Designer to crash... Using different diameter shapes and different size canvases results in different thresholds at which Designer will crash... Vector Fill Crash.mp4 Shane111 1 Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2437) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Lee_T Posted January 24 Staff Share Posted January 24 Hi all, Thanks for the testing here, this has now been logged as a bug to be looked at by the devs. Lee Shane111 and Hangman 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hangman Posted January 24 Share Posted January 24 Hi @Lee_T, Many thanks for logging... Shane111 and Lee_T 2 Quote Affinity Designer 2.4.2 | Affinity Photo 2.4.2 | Affinity Publisher 2.4.2 Affinity Designer Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Photo Beta 2.5.0 (2437) | Affinity Publisher Beta 2.5.0 (2437) Affinity Designer 1.7.3 | Affinity Photo 1.7.3 | Affinity Publisher 1.10.8 MacBook Pro 16GB, macOS Monterey 12.7.4, Magic Mouse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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