How to solve the need for two sections per master?

[Seikilos]

Hi,

often books have multiple bits of information outside of their text frames.

Usually the page number and then an arbitrary mix of Chapter numbers, Chapter Titles, Subchapter Titles, etc.

I created a section for each main chapter and used it next to the page number on master pages which appeared to be ok. Now I realized that having the section name does not really help the reader unless he or she knows at least the main chapter number.

Practically I intended to recreate something like that

But can I do this without one of the texts to be completely manual? AFAIK I can create a section called "Chapter 5" or a section called "A story about something" and place them, but not both.

Is there workaround to this to at least avoid having 400 loose bits of text on 400 pages of a book?

[Seikilos]

4 minutes ago, N.P.M. said:

You can create multiple masterpages to be applied to all or designated pages.
You can even apply masterpages to masterpages

So you recommend to create a master page for each chapter then and not rely on sections that much?

[thomaso]

1 hour ago, Seikilos said:

AFAIK I can create a section called "Chapter 5" or a section called "A story about something" and place them, but not both.

If you want to avoid a separate master page for each chapter you could try a workaround with a section name containing both, number + text:

[Seikilos]

1 hour ago, N.P.M. said:

Only suggesting that you can use multiple masterpages per page.
Whether this fits your workflow or not is something to try out yourself.
Better do this in a dummy document before ruining your current one though.

The document is under version control. So no problem ruining something.

[Seikilos]

12 minutes ago, thomaso said:

If you want to avoid a separate master page for each chapter you could try a workaround with a section name containing both, number + text:

Great idea, I will test flowing to the next frame.

[Seikilos]

1 hour ago, thomaso said:

If you want to avoid a separate master page for each chapter you could try a workaround with a section name containing both, number + text:

Hmmmm, I can no longer paste tabs or any other special chars as section names. Not even when copying an entire string like 

->

Also: Two linked frames seem to cannot have two different alignments. If the left one is left aligned, the right one gets left aligned too. If I change the right one to right aligned, the left one changes with it.

[thomaso]

50 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

Hmmmm, I can no longer paste tabs or any other special chars as section names.

Does "no longer" mean that it worked before?
– If yes: what if you paste the copied text first somewhere else, does it contain the special character there? And in a separate text editor / document?
– If not: are you in Windows or macOS?

And: How about a column or frame break instead of the tab?
Workaround: Try with two separate but linked frames + reduce the width of the left page frame to the required width for "x | chapter x".

45 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

Also: Two linked frames seem to cannot have two different alignments. If the left one is left aligned, the right one gets left aligned too. If I change the right one to right aligned, the left one changes with it.

Try the option "Align Away From Spine", it was invented for situations like yours:

[Seikilos]

1 hour ago, thomaso said:

Does "no longer" mean that it worked before?
– If yes: what if you paste the copied text first somewhere else, does it contain the special character there? And in a separate text editor / document?
– If not: are you in Windows or macOS?

And: How about a column or frame break instead of the tab?
Workaround: Try with two separate but linked frames + reduce the width of the left page frame to the required width for "x | chapter x".

Try the option "Align Away From Spine", it was invented for situations like yours:

I don't know whether it worked before but the topic you linked before indicated that it was possible for section names to contain various whitespaces like tabs.

I am on windows and when I copy text with a tab or frame break into the section name it gets sanitized to whitespace. When I copy it from the section back into a text field, it remains a whitespace. So it seems like fidgeting around with frame sizes is the only solution...

[thomaso]

8 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

I don't know whether it worked before but the topic you linked before indicated that it was possible for section names to contain various whitespaces like tabs.

No. As literally mentioned there, these are how this field displays the tab <–> there are NO whitespace glyphs.

That's why I asked for Windows vs. macOS: possibly it's different in Windows?

[Seikilos]

4 hours ago, thomaso said:

No. As literally mentioned there, these are how this field displays the tab <–> there are NO whitespace glyphs.

That's why I asked for Windows vs. macOS: possibly it's different in Windows?

It seems so 🤷‍♂️.

I work arounded this by many many whitespace and it seams to work

[thomaso]

2 minutes ago, Seikilos said:

It seems so 🤷‍♂️.

Where does this refer to? What seems like what? It seems that it's possibly …? Come on, please!

Can't you just answer the simple question whether you use Windows or macOS with a simple answer?

[Seikilos]

8 minutes ago, thomaso said:

Where does this refer to? What seems like what? It seems that it's possibly …? Come on, please!

Can't you just answer the simple question whether you use Windows or macOS with a simple answer?

Sorry, too many assumptions in my head. I am using Windows (I updated my signature) and it seems to me, that APub handles insertion of special chars into the section text field different on Windows than on Mac.