omd_shooter Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Hi there, I'm new in this forum.... Some info about me: living in Germany, I'm in mft-photography, mainly with the new great Olympus E-M1, but also with an E-P5 an an E-PL7. In one of the german Oly-forums APB was mentioned as a great tool and I decided to give it a try....(currently using Capture One Pro 8). Ok, downloaded the latest beta an started to toy with it. Seems great, fast and intuitive to learn. But what a surprise: after developing an RAW (ORF) all the EXIF-data were gone.... Only todays date remained... Searching this forum I found a few threads covering similar topics but I'm not sure wether this bug is solved or not - or if I'm making some stupid error...
MikeFromMesa Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Hi omd_shooter. Welcome to the forum. This problem existed quite some time ago but I thought had mostly gone away with new beta releases. Some questions. What version are you on? And what kind of editing are you doing? Editing files directly or using it with some other tool like Lightroom? Are you working with raws, tiffs, jpgs or something else? Are you saving or exporting? To what format? Does this happen with all formats or only some?
omd_shooter Posted May 8, 2015 Author Posted May 8, 2015 Ok... Part of the problem is hacking away on my MacBooks keyboard this very moment. The EXIFs are not vanished completely, I found them (in Photo Persona Mode /Studio Viewer). BUT - an thats a major one: the data are altered. The date the picture was taken changed to the editing date (in my case from Oct 24 2014 to May 8 2015), exposure parameters are set to "Zero" and so on.... I'm on 1.2.0.24974, mostly developing RAW's and exporting them to jpeg, the ORF's (thats the Oly-RAW format) are directly imported from the cameras. Otherwise I'm using Capture One Pro 8, workflow ist the same - EXIFs remain unaltered (as expected).
MikeFromMesa Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Ok... Part of the problem is hacking away on my MacBooks keyboard this very moment. The EXIFs are not vanished completely, I found them (in Photo Persona Mode /Studio Viewer). BUT - an thats a major one: the data are altered. The date the picture was taken changed to the editing date (in my case from Oct 24 2014 to May 8 2015), exposure parameters are set to "Zero" and so on.... I'm on 1.2.0.24974, mostly developing RAW's and exporting them to jpeg, the ORF's (thats the Oly-RAW format) are directly imported from the cameras. Otherwise I'm using Capture One Pro 8, workflow ist the same - EXIFs remain unaltered (as expected). Hmm. That is interesting. I generally use CaptureOne as my processor and use APB as an external editor using the Edit With functionality sending a tiff and I am seeing one entry of the EXIF data being changed. As I posted, that is the "metering mode" which is changed from its earlier value to blank and I have been viewing the changed EXIF in CaptureOne, not in APB (where I did not look for it). I will do this again but check the EXIF in C1, then load the raw into APB and see if the values are the same. Or are you seeing the change after saving/exporting? UPDATE: For what it is worth ... I just did some checking. I loaded a raw image into APB and then called APB from C1 using the same raw image, but exporting both a tif and a jpg, so I could compare the exif data. Most is the same, but some is different. The real problem is that I have no way of knowing if the data is being changed by APB or by C1 when it sends the tif and jpgs to APB, or both. I am going to do some more checking using some other pixel editors that I have on my system (Photoshop CS5.1 and PhotoLine. I don't know if this will tell me anything or not, but perhaps something will come out of all of the checking.
billtils Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 Well, this thread is starting to look like a mystery story! I opened a RAW file in 3 different programs (including APB) and all had identical EXIF data. But if I send it to Aperture as a .tif the EXIF is changed (shutter speed). If it is converted from RAW (in Nikon ViwNX 2) to a jpeg the EXIF remains intact. If I save as a TIFF from Pixelmator the EXIF is all there and unchanged. When the RAW file is opened in APB and exported as a TIFF the shutter speed changes (everything else remains the same). :unsure: Regards to all the detectives on the trail of this one! Bill Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6 Capture One 10.
MikeFromMesa Posted May 8, 2015 Posted May 8, 2015 I spent some time testing this stuff out but finally decided that when there is more than one software editor/workflow tool being used it is not possible to know which one actually made the change. However here is some interesting stuff. I loaded a raw image into APB, took a screen shot of the exif data. I then saved the image as a tiff, a jpg and a psd, being careful each time to reload the original raw so that a change being made when the file was exported would not propagate to the next format being exported. That is, I did the following: 1) load raw, develop, export to tiff, close image 2) load raw, develop, export to jpg, close image 3) load raw, develop, export to psd, close image without making any editing changes in the Develop or Photo Personas. I then loaded each image, displayed the exif data and took another screen shot. What I found was interesting. First, the amount and names of the exif data displayed by View -> Studio -> Exif varied from image to image. Second, the values were (mostly) the same, but there was nothing in the psd. Here are the screen shots so you can look them over yourself. Here is the exif of the original raw image: Here is the exif of the exported tiff: Here is the exif of the exported jpg: And here is the exif of the exported psd: You can do the comparisons yourself but the surprising thing for me was the total lack of exif data for psd file. While I have only the slightest knowledge about exif values beyond their relationship to shooting conditions and cameras, I would assume there should be more information folded into the psd files. I also compared the exif data shown in APB when the raw image was loaded to that shown by other editors/tools - Adobe Bridge, PhotoLine, Preview and the small variations were interesting, but probably not enough to file a defect since who is to say that any of the others were absolutely correct. However I will file a defect about there not being any exif data in the psd file.
billtils Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 Good detective work Mike. I think it was Mrs Adobe, with the Affinity knife, in the RAW darkroom. Retina iMac (4K display, 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM) OS X 10.11.6 Capture One 10.
MikeFromMesa Posted May 9, 2015 Posted May 9, 2015 Good detective work Mike. I think it was Mrs Adobe, with the Affinity knife, in the RAW darkroom. Now that was funny!!! :lol:
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