Andrea_Bortolan Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 Hello, I have affinity designer and photo version 1 and I just bought the v2 package. A few days ago I imported a pdf file with text and it opened it with the correct fonts. Today Affinity Designer (and also Photo) tells me (both version 1 and version 2) that the fonts aren't there. I installed one of the fonts on Windows but Designer still can't find it. What happened? Does version 2 not handle embed fonts? Thanks Quote
walt.farrell Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Andrea_Bortolan said: Does version 2 not handle embed fonts? No, it does not (just like V1 did not). You must have the fonts installed on your computer. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Andrea_Bortolan Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 Thanks for reply! Too bad version 2 doesn't do it too. However, I had already opened the pdf a few days ago without problems and today the fonts seem to be missing. Has anything changed with the Windows updates that you know of? Quote
kenmcd Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Andrea_Bortolan said: today the fonts seem to be missing Which fonts? And can you attach the PDF? Quote
Andrea_Bortolan Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 ArialNarrow (Bold, Bold Italic, italic), FuturaPt, FuturaPtCond (Bold, BoldOBL, Book,...), MyriadPro. Unfortunately I can't attach the file because it belongs to a Company. But last week I opened it without problems and today nothing to do. In the meantime, it seems to me that Windows has made an update. I don't know if this update is the problem. Quote
Andrea_Bortolan Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 20 minutes ago, kenmcd said: Which fonts? And can you attach the PDF? I understood that the problem is another. In fact last week Deigner hadn't found the fonts but had imported the characters as curves. Now, however, it imports the pdf warning that the fonts are missing. Is there an option that I may have inadvertently changed? Quote
walt.farrell Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 15 minutes ago, Andrea_Bortolan said: In fact last week Deigner hadn't found the fonts but had imported the characters as curves. Designer doesn't do that. There are no functions in the Affinity apps that import text as curves. Perhaps you used a different PDF last week. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Andrea_Bortolan Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 10 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Designer doesn't do that. There are no functions in the Affinity apps that import text as curves. Perhaps you used a different PDF last week. Mmmm....I probably used different software then and can't remember. So there's no way you can import a PDF if you don't have the correct fonts installed? Too bad ... I hope they add some features! Thanks for all Quote
walt.farrell Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 6 minutes ago, Andrea_Bortolan said: So there's no way you can import a PDF if you don't have the correct fonts installed? You can Place a PDF into another document using Passthrough mode. But you can't edit it at that point. And you can't Open a PDF for editing unless you have the fonts, or substitute different fonts. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
Andrea_Bortolan Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, walt.farrell said: You can Place a PDF into another document using Passthrough mode. But you can't edit it at that point. And you can't Open a PDF for editing unless you have the fonts, or substitute different fonts. Thanks for the explanation.... I hope they add support for embed fonts! Edited January 25, 2023 by Andrea_Bortolan Quote
kenmcd Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Andrea_Bortolan said: ArialNarrow (Bold, Bold Italic, italic), FuturaPt, FuturaPtCond (Bold, BoldOBL, Book,...), MyriadPro. Unfortunately I can't attach the file because it belongs to a Company. Please attach a screenshot of the opening dialog which lists the fonts to replace. That should show the font names embedded in the PDF. Some applications embed the fonts with font names that do not match-up with the PostScript Name (which is usually what is used). Affinity fails to match the names in that case. Do you know what application was used to create the PDF? That is often in the PDF document info. Quote
Andrea_Bortolan Posted January 25, 2023 Author Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, kenmcd said: Please attach a screenshot of the opening dialog which lists the fonts to replace. That should show the font names embedded in the PDF. Some applications embed the fonts with font names that do not match-up with the PostScript Name (which is usually what is used). Affinity fails to match the names in that case. Do you know what application was used to create the PDF? That is often in the PDF document info. The pdf was made with illustrator 27 but I remembered used first inkscape which converts characters into curves. However, the Arialnarrow font is installed but it seems not to see it! Thanks Quote
kenmcd Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 53 minutes ago, Andrea_Bortolan said: However, the Arialnarrow font is installed but it seems not to see it! You have the perfect storm of fonts with difficult naming issues. The Arial Narrow family from the Windows version of MS Office has "Arial" as the Typographic Family, but has "Arial Narrow" as the Font Family (style group). For font "best practices" these should be the same. This may be confusing the Affinity font matching. The name you see in your dialog image above - e.g "ArialNarrow-BoldItalic" is the PostScript Name. Affinity should be able to match on the PostScript Name, but that does not appear to be what they are doing. The Arial Narrow family from the Mac version of MS Office has "Arial Narrow" as the Typographic Family, and has "Arial Narrow" as the Font Family (style group) also. And the PostScript Names are the same. BUT, they only have Italic and BoldItalic fonts in the style group, and that violates the OpenType specs and common sense. From your image I cannot tell if you have the Windows or Mac fonts as the PostScript Names are the same in both. Again, Affinity should be able to match on the PostScript Name, but that does not appear to be what they are doing. Regarding the Futura PT fonts - the names inside the entire family are basically a font nightmare. Nothing is correct. Amazingly they are still being sold on MyFonts like this. So trying to match based on the family names and styles is quite a mess, and even the other settings such as the weight numbers are also a mess. These issues are probably confusing the Affinity font matching. But, again, Affinity should be able to match on the PostScript Name, but that does not appear to be what they are doing. Do not know why they are not matching on the PostScript Name as that makes the most sense given that is what is normally embedded in the PDF. So unfortunately nothing you can do here. Affinity needs to fix this. Use search/replace to replace the fonts. Quote
Andrea_Bortolan Posted January 26, 2023 Author Posted January 26, 2023 11 hours ago, kenmcd said: You have the perfect storm of fonts with difficult naming issues. The Arial Narrow family from the Windows version of MS Office has "Arial" as the Typographic Family, but has "Arial Narrow" as the Font Family (style group). For font "best practices" these should be the same. This may be confusing the Affinity font matching. The name you see in your dialog image above - e.g "ArialNarrow-BoldItalic" is the PostScript Name. Affinity should be able to match on the PostScript Name, but that does not appear to be what they are doing. The Arial Narrow family from the Mac version of MS Office has "Arial Narrow" as the Typographic Family, and has "Arial Narrow" as the Font Family (style group) also. And the PostScript Names are the same. BUT, they only have Italic and BoldItalic fonts in the style group, and that violates the OpenType specs and common sense. From your image I cannot tell if you have the Windows or Mac fonts as the PostScript Names are the same in both. Again, Affinity should be able to match on the PostScript Name, but that does not appear to be what they are doing. Regarding the Futura PT fonts - the names inside the entire family are basically a font nightmare. Nothing is correct. Amazingly they are still being sold on MyFonts like this. So trying to match based on the family names and styles is quite a mess, and even the other settings such as the weight numbers are also a mess. These issues are probably confusing the Affinity font matching. But, again, Affinity should be able to match on the PostScript Name, but that does not appear to be what they are doing. Do not know why they are not matching on the PostScript Name as that makes the most sense given that is what is normally embedded in the PDF. So unfortunately nothing you can do here. Affinity needs to fix this. Use search/replace to replace the fonts. Thank you for the comprehensive answer! Very accurate.... I figured it was also a naming issue. I hope Affinity can do something about it.... Quote
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