Footnote issue

[GeePeeGee]

My footnotes should be below the body of the text - which, however, is indented because of the numbering of the paragraphs. Therefore, the footnotes are also indented. 
In example one, this is done as I requested.
In example two, I used the abbreviation NYC instead of New York 1951 at the end of the line, BECAUSE the written version leads to a line break - and THEN the footnote only appears on the following page (which is wrong). This happened in several cases, causing some work arounds as in using a manually initiated footnote.

How to avoid that a footnote appears on the following page?? (The click field "Enable split footnotes" is not activated.)

[MikeTO]

Hi.

Do you want your footnotes to not be indented? You can change the formatting of your footnotes. I recommend using a paragraph style and then assigning that style in the Notes panel with Format > In Note Body > Note Body Style. Just set indent to 0 for this style and the footnotes should no longer be indented.

With regard to the footnote number and footnote text being split onto separate pages, I've seen that, too, and there is no workaround to completely avoid it that I'm aware of. Allowing Split Notes would decrease the likelihood that you'll encounter it but it won't eliminate it completely. Editing the copy as you've done should be your final resort but in your case I think there is an easier solution. The footnote number isn't at the bottom of the column of text but about 14 lines above it which means that you have stringent paragraph formatting options. I recommend looking at Paragraph > Flow Options. Turn off the options that are enabled one by one and choose Anywhere from Start. With all of these options off I think your entire "NYC" footnote should fit in the same column.

Good luck!

[GeePeeGee]

Thanx for your help!

… But, helas, it didn't work out. 

1) Footnotes shall be indented!

2) Splitting footnotes is unwanted. I even changed the layout to get as much space as possible for footnotes!

3) No flow options were activated.

[MikeTO]

6 hours ago, GeePeeGee said:

Thanx for your help!

… But, helas, it didn't work out. 

1) Footnotes shall be indented!

2) Splitting footnotes is unwanted. I even changed the layout to get as much space as possible for footnotes!

3) No flow options were activated.

I'm not sure I understand. Do you want the footnotes to be indented?

I'm unsure why footnote 34 (the NYC one) would be pushed to the next column if the footnote text increases in length. Would it be possible for you to upload a test document? Just copy as much text as shown in your screenshot into a frame in a new document. I could play around with it if you like. If you're not comfortable sharing that in public then you should wait for Serif to provide assistance.

Good luck.

[GeePeeGee]

Hi Mike, I was absent.

1) I tried to copy 2 pages (see attached). "Try" means, that I compared all parameters – as far as I understood them. "Try" means also: it is not exactly the same. In the copy the size of the footnote-numbers is larger in the note body  (and I don't know why). 

2) Now the footnote 34 is on the next page, though it is only one line (NYC)

3) YES, I want the footnote to be indented.

Affinity Test.afpub

[MikeTO]

7 hours ago, GeePeeGee said:

Hi Mike, I was absent.

1) I tried to copy 2 pages (see attached). "Try" means, that I compared all parameters – as far as I understood them. "Try" means also: it is not exactly the same. In the copy the size of the footnote-numbers is larger in the note body  (and I don't know why). 

2) Now the footnote 34 is on the next page, though it is only one line (NYC)

3) YES, I want the footnote to be indented.

Affinity Test.afpub 110.07 kB · 1 download

Thanks, I can confirm what you're seeing. My formatting is different because I don't have your font but that's not important for this test.

There's something weird going on with the first page. Look at the placement of the footnote below the column, there's a gap there that shouldn't be there.

With your document as you've saved it, I can duplicate the problem with the footnote marker and footnote being split up on separate pages. Now we've all learned that this can happen regularly with v2 but it should happen only when the marker is close to the bottom of the column. As you said, you had no paragraph formatting set that would cause the lines or paragraphs to stick together and I confirmed that.

The problem is footnote 33, there's something wrong with it. If I copy the text out of it and delete that footnote, add it back, and paste the same text back in, the problem goes away. The footnotes are renumbered because this test document doesn't have notes 1-32 in it but that's not important. I think there was just something wrong with this one footnote that caused the issue. So please try this with your original document, deleting and re-adding this one footnote.

Good luck!

[GeePeeGee]

Hi Mike,

Thanx a lot for your help.

1) The Weirdness of the first footnote comes from the positioning-menu (see picture attached). It is the "minimal gap before", which I set to 10px.

2) YES! Deleting and re-inserting a new footnote 33 solves the problem, even with a 2-lines-footnote 34 (New York 1951).

Thx again.

 

I think, the footnote handling is a not properly programmed feature, at least not finished. 
And the multiple formatting options (interacting, but placed in different menues ...) are confusing.

[GeePeeGee]

1) The Weirdness of the first footnote comes from the positioning-menu (see picture attached). It is the "minimal gap before", which I set to 10px.

plus: positioning and linefall changes when "baseline grid" is activated

[MikeTO]

I'm glad you have it working now!

Cheers

[Old Bruce]

I wonder if the styles were brought in from some other document, I think this whenever I see square brackets around a Text Style's name, in this case [Basic Paragraph]. Finally I have to say that there are far too many overrides of Paragraph Styles and probably Character Styles are being overridden as well.

Here is a simple Two Paragraph Styles version. It uses Arial, we should all have that font.  Affinity Test.afpub

There is a setting for the "total height" of the footnote(s) below the text frame. I increased it and the second footnote was able to fit into the space under the text frame.

[GeePeeGee]

Hi Bruce,

Thx for your hints and time !

1) Your suspicions (imported from another doc) could be correct. The version you see in the "test"-doc ist the ... 3rd or 4th iteration of this doc; while "iteration" is dealing with the overall layout/size/framesizes etc. (content too, but that was done IN the text, though)

2) As the book is in set completly in the Google font "Algreya" I need to work with this font. AS I was working with styles (right or wrong!), I couldn't avoid importing them in new docs. Same issue know: When trying to import your test doc I have to change the formatting WITH the styles I was already working with – and therefore probably "re-importing" the bugs or errors

3) I tried to "play" with the max total height – but I didn't understand what it is doing: in some cases, the note body changed, in others not. I simply don't get the underlying  rule

4) I agree: to many style-options (if you know a tutorial, I would be happy to take a lesson; Affinity-tutorials are scratching only the surface AND are not explaining possible problems ...)

 

 

 

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