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  1. Hi, Chris B. Ya, we've been trying to sort this one out, figuring out triggers/specifications. It seems it might be partially related to a bug that was found where it seems that selection order now (after the recent update) seems to matter when merging (...select the layers in the wrong order, and the merge results in the contents from the pixel layer being erased). I've done some tests over here, and have found some specifications for my particular issue. It seems to be related to grouping (as well as groups within groups). I'm going to do some further tests, and provide support with a specific list of situations and results, but here's what I have found so far (...and this relating to the Merge button on the top right of the Adjustments windows): 1) Adding a targeted adjustment (using the Adjustment icon method described above) to a single, unparented layer (with no childred) and hitting the Merge button works fine 2) Doing the same to one of two grouped layers (each without children, and with their group not grouped/parented to anything.... just two single layers grouped together) resulted in a non-responsive Merge button (Nothing happens to the layers). Note: The command history DOES show that a Merge is triggered each time, but nothing happens to the layers... the adjustment layer child remains) 3) Doing the same to a single layer that is grouped with several other layers, which is also grouped to another set of layers (group within a group) results in the destructive/content clearing bug I noted in my previous examples.... adjustment layer is removed/merged, but the pixel layer's contents are cleared completely, leaving it empty, but still present. There has been a discussion about this (and some other related issues we've been finding) in my thread found here:
  2. @Carl123: I know that was targeted to HuniSenpai, but in my case, I'm selecting the target layer, and then clicking the Adjustment icon to add a layer-specific adjustment to it, which is automatic, so I have no control of how it connects it. In my case, there seems to be a bug(?) related to grouped items (and/or groups in groups), which perhaps the team hasn't run into yet. I'm going to do some more tests, and establish a specific list of situations and results for each to provide to support.
  3. Further findings: So, in my REAL project (as opposed to a simple test one), I found the following: 1) Adding a targeted adjustment (using the Adjustment icon method described above) to a single, unparented layer (with no childred) and hitting the Merge button works fine 2) Doing the same to one of two grouped layers (each with out children, and with their group not grouped/parented to anything.... just two single layers grouped together) resulted in the non-responsive Merge button shown in one of your videos (...Note, the command history DOES show that a Merge is triggered each time, but nothing happens to the layers... the adjustment layer child remains) 3) Doing the same to a single layer that is grouped with several other layers, which is also grouped to another set of layers (group within a group) results in the destructive/content clearing bug I noted in my previous examples.... adjustment layer is removed/merged, but the pixel layer's contents are cleared completely, leaving it empty, but still present. Going to go for a walk, but will tinker around with this further. For now, the workaround seems to be to do the targeted layer method (click on the Adjustment icon, etc).... but rather than hitting the Merge button, you exit, select the pixel layer (which will select both it and the child adjustment layer) and hit Rasterize in the context menu. A bit less convenient, but at least it works for now. Hopefully, I can assign a hotkey to Rasterize (....an annoyance I point out in ANOTHER of my threads, where I am baffled by why only a select few of the commands can have a keyboard shortcut assigned, rather than all of them being available in the shortcut edit window). I'll keep you posted on what I find. Thanks again for your help so far!
  4. Just did a quick test... My three coloured blob layers.... but this time, I grouped them together, and applied a targeted adjustment to the 2nd layer (selected it, clicked the Adjustment icon, selected HSL, made the adjustment and then hit the Merge button). That actually worked, too.... So, it's not specifically/exclusively a bug related to heirarchies... by that, I mean that it CAN work, but in the case of my (real) project, it doesn't. So, more tests will follow....
  5. I'm going to try a bunch of tests with various heirarchies/groupings, and see what it does. You are on to something, even though your results (though also incorrect/bugs) are different from mine!
  6. Ha, we are both responding so fast, this is like live chat! That last video is interesting. Doesn't seem to be what is happening with mine, but that certainly seems like a bug (...in the sense that it should just merge the target layer (adjustment to the donut)) In my case, the rest of the heirarchy remains, but the target layer clears (rather than results in a layer that contains ALL the content of ALL the layers in the hierarchy, like your video does.
  7. UPDATE: I just did a test on a new/test 'project', rather than my actual project. Three simple pixel layers... each a different blob of colour. Selected the middle one, clicked the Adjustment icon (bottom of Layer window), and selected HSL. HSL adjustment window opened, and I dialed down the saturation (making that layer grey). Clicked the dreaded Merge button at the top of the HSL adjustment window.... and it WORKED! Okay, so for some reason, there's some aspect of my (real) project file that is buggering up the merge functionality.... Memory usage??? (I've got 32 gigs, and this isn't a massive project, so that SEEMS unlikely) Nothing obviously odd in my layers.. just a bunch of paint layers... some grouped together... a few with adjustment layers..... but that's it. Nothing fancy or unusual. Yet, it is obvious that something is either stressing the program... or some previous action has somehow buggered up the program's functionality... No idea. But, yes, it is confirmed that the Merge DOES work in a small/different test project. That would explain why many are not seeing this issue. I'm going to close my (real) project, and reload it... to the issue is 'baked' into the project, or if it's related indirectly (duration of the work session, etc).
  8. Seems to be happening since the last update, as it worked the way I expected up to now... unless I have gone completely insane.
  9. I'm on the latest version (1.8.2.620) Win7 Pro. I'm having a few odd things happen... including another quirk I did a thread on (which I think you are also involved in, too) where the square bracket keyboard shortcut for sizing the brush stop working after some random amount of time (yet all the other shortcuts and the program itself continue working!).
  10. It really seems like they broke merging in general with the new update... including that bug previously pointed out about the selection order!
  11. @HuniSenpai: Thanks for all the vids and effort! Yes, that last video shows you doing the thing I'm talking about in the first part of the video... yet, in your case, it works (or at least doesn't clear the content of the layer. I'm doing the same thing, but when I hit Merge, the contents of the layer disappears/clears!
  12. Okay, let me try another explanation.... You have 8 layers. All are lovely, except the 3rd one is too bright compared to all the other layers. Normally, you'd just select that layer, and apply (say) a Levels adjustment (live, destructively), adjusting it until it looks right, compared to the other layers. Unfortunately, it appears that AP doesn't allow for that, opting instead to do a non-destructive Adjustment Layer method... which I am not against (as it does, afterall, offer the benefits of a non-destructive adjustment). However, sometimes, you don't want all those adjustment layers parented inside each of your layers. Sometimes, you just want to bake it, as you are sure you don't want to revert it back or whatever. So, with the current system, you'd normally select the 3rd pixel layer... apply a (non-destructive) adjustment layer (Levels in this case) to it, so when you adjust the Levels dials, you can see the affect of the adjustment live, compared to the other layers, until you find the right setting. You would then (normally) hit the Merge button at the top of the Levels adjustment window you have been using (unless you wanted to keep the non-destructive Levels adjustment layer parented inside the 3rd pixel layer). Normally, hitting this button would bake the Levels adjustment into that third pixel layer, and you'd have a (longwinded) destructive/instant levels adjustment to the 3rd layer. But, that doesn't currently work, now... Doing so causes (at least on my system) the 3rd layer to be cleared when the merge occurs. But, there is no other method to do this type of thing, as putting an adjustment above the 3rd layer will adjust ALL the layers below it, so when you dial down the brightness of the 3rd layer (eyeballing it to the other layers), all the other layers below will also simultaneously get darker, making it impossible to match, since the other layers will 'run away' from their original settings as you approach them.
  13. I'm dealing with a real project (multiple layers, etc).... but, in trying out things to troubleshoot, I am simply applying a single adjustment layer (child) to a single pixel layer.
  14. But, that functionally doesn't make sense. If you want to effect a specific layer (as opposed to a global effect), you would first select the layer, which then causes an adjustment selection to be (rightfully) parented to it (otherwise, it will effect ALL layers, making it impossible to compare the targeted layer to the layers you want to adjust it to (compare). To click on the Merge button in the adjustment window SHOULD merge (bake) the adjustment to the selected/targeted layer... as that's the entire point of it. Otherwise, again, if you have 8 layers, and you want to tone down the 3rd one (as, say, it's too saturated compared to the others), how WOULD you apply a desaturation to just that layer WHILE BEING ABLE TO LIVE MONITOR YOUR ADJUSTMENT while doing so, so you can set it to the right level (compared to the other layers). Putting the layer above the target layer will adjust ALL layers below it, making it impossible to set the adjustment of the target layer, since all the other (lower) layers that you are trying to compare it to are simultaneously (and wrongfully) getting adjusted as well, so you will never be able to get all their saturations balance, as the other layers will FURTHER desaturate as you lower the saturation of the target layer (and adjustment which won't bel applied, once you do the manual merge).
  15. This is the button I'm referring to, which should merge the effect (of the open adjustment window) to the layer that it is targeting (the parent pixel layer)
  16. The way it USED to work before (and the way I'd expect it) is this: You have several pixel layers. You want to adjust one of them (again, say, saturation) to match the others (...so, a targeted, layer specific saturation adjustment). Since AP doesn't seem to allow you to just do a direct/instant/destructive saturation adjustment, what you would have to do is select that target layer, select a (HSL) adjustment (which would then parent an HSL adjustment layer to the targeted pixel layer). You'd slide the sliders to your desired adjustment, and then would have TWO options: 1) Close the window, leaving a non-destructive adjustment (HSL adjustment layer parented (as child) to the target pixel layer).... which is a nice option, if you want to be able to make future adjustment and/or restore that layer later to its original state 2) OR.... you click the Merge button at the top of the adjustment window (rather than closing the window), and that would apply the adjustments destructively to the targeted layer, and remove the parented adjustment layer (...literally merging the layers). But, that no longer works, but instead (seemingly) merges the layers (as intended), but for some reason it also results in the resulting targeted layer to clear all of its contents (blank layer). This is new... and a bug.
  17. @HuniSenpai: The latest video you made has you making an adjustment layer OUTSIDE (above) the target pixel layer... whereas what I am talking about is when you have the pixel layer selected, and then select/add an adjustment layer. As well, I am talking about a scenario where there is more layers below the target layer, which you do now want to effect. Regardless of whether your method works, it (initially) will affect ALL layers below it, which makes it impractical if you need to be able to compare the adjustment you are doing on the target layer to the layers below it. For example, if you have 9 layers, but the target one (say the first/top one) is too saturated compared to the others... so, if you do a 'global' saturation adjustment (even if you intend on merging it with JUST the target layer during a merge), all the layers below it are globally effected (live preview) as you adjust it, making it impossible to compare your adjustment (ex. match it) to that of the other layers, since they TOO are also changing from the very tone you are trying to match to. So, the only solution is to do a parented adjustment right away (select the layer, add an adjustment)...which is how you'd want to do it in this case, anyway... but, after making the adjustment (move sliders) the Merge button in the ADJUSTMENT WINDOW (not the layer context menu) does not work as intended... it does not bake the adjustment into the pixel layer.
  18. On the latest Affinity Photo (v1.8.2.620) update (Windows), it seems the Merge button on adjustment windows no longer works properly. Instead, the resulting merged layer is empty. Steps to replicate: 1) Paint a pixel layer 2) Add an adjustment layer (ex. HSL), resulting in the adjustment layer being parented to the pixel layer 3) Make an adjustment in the settings (ex. lower the saturation) in the HSL window 4) Click the Merge button at the top right of the adjustment window (beside the Cancel and Delete buttons) 5) Rather than resulting in the Adjustment layer being merged/baked into the pixel layer (...desaturated pixel layer, and no more adjustment layer (now deleted) parented to it), you end up with only the pixel layer (adjustment layer disappears/merged, as expected), but the pixel layer ends up empty 6) Apparently, there is a related bug, where merging down layers now (since update) requires a specific selection order, otherwise the same issue occurs. However, in this (new) particular case (adjustment window Merge button bug), it's not possible to select the participating layers in a particular order, since selecting the pixel layer automatically selects BOTH that layer and the (child) adjustment layer. Windows7 Pro
  19. Okay, this is messed up.... I have a (pixel) layer in Photo..... I add an HSL adjustment to just that layer (adjustment layer gets parented to the pixel layer).... I do the adjustment, and then click the Merge button in the HSL window (which SHOULD bake the adjustments into the pixel layer)... and the content of the newly merged layer disappears. I can't try any of the suggestions regarding selection order, since you can't separately select both layers (pixel and adjustment), since selecting the pixel layer will also select all the child layers anyway. What happened???! The merge doesn't appear to work at all now. BTW, for those of you struggling with this, there IS a workaround.... select the pixel (parent) layer (which then selects both layers), and hit Rasterize, which will bake the adjustment of the adjustment layer into the pixel layer, and merge the two. So, what exactly IS the point of the Merge button in the HSL window? (This most likely also applies to all adjustments) NOTE: I'm on Windows 7.
  20. Hi, HuniSenpai. Thanks for that info and workaround. I'll try that out. Ya, I could have sworn it worked before, and perhaps is DID, but I am doing the selections in the reverse order that is required, and so now it 'suddenly' doesn't work. I suspected it had something to do with the latest update, for that reason. Seems odd/redundant that you need a specific selection order, when it just merges downwards anyway. A few of the design decisions in Affinity puzzle me, though. (...including why there ISN'T a destructive/instant layer adjustment in the first place!) Cheers!
  21. So, I'm all fine with doing non-destructive adjustments (ex. levels, HSL, etc), as well as adjustments to a specific layer (as opposed to globally affecting all layers below it)... but I'm confused about something else, which I can't seem to find any documentation/videos on... If I want to do (say) a saturation adjustment to a single layer, but also make it permanent, I can't seem to find a (working) method. If I apply the adjustment the regular way (select the layer, select an adjustment, make the adjustment (move the sliders), I then have the usual two options.... Exit out of the adjustment window (resulting in a non-destructive adjustment layer parented to target layer... or hit merge, which NORMALLY bakes the adjustment into the target layer. But, instead, when I try and do the Merge (since I do not want the non-destructive adjustment layer parented 'under' the target layer), it ends up 'erasing' my target layer (becomes blank) for some reason. So, then I would think to try dragging the adjustment layer out for the parenting, and put it on top of the target layer (unparented) and do a Merge Down. But, that is ending up doing the same thing for some reason (blanking out the target layer). I always did find it weird you can't just do a destructive/immediate adjustment on a layer, if only just the basics (levels, saturation). Being able to do non-destructive adjustments to layers is great and all, but sometimes you want to bake it in, and not have all these 'adjustment patches' attached to each layer you tweek. But, I can't seem to find any way now of doing direct adjustments. If there is no means currently, it would be great if you could hold down a keyboard modifier (ex. SHIFT) when clicking on an adjustment/filter, to tell Affinity to make it a destructive/permanent adjustment. Again, it would seem that the Merge button on the adjustment's window should do that, but instead, it seems to just erase all the contents of the target layer during the merge. Using the current version of Affinity Photo (March 23/2020) on Win7 Pro on a PC.
  22. Weird! Mine didn't do that. My square brackets work for a while, and then something eventually causes them to not work (yet all other shortcuts, and the keyboard in general, work). I tried to 'break' Affinity in my latest session, but so far the glitch didn't occur. Once I spot it, I'm going to view the Command History, and see what actions (if any) might have triggered it. Maybe I'll also try stepping up through the history and seeing if the shortcut suddenly comes back again. Normally the glitch happens regularily (although the amount of time until it occurs seems random), but of course, now that I'm actively trying to spot it, it's suddenly behaving for now.
  23. As with many of my suggestions, workarounds exist, but why not just have the feature that makes it easy. I've had situations where I'd have 30+ images open, and even though it's certainly possible to individually close them, why not just click a button that closes them all at once? I can't speak for Mac (I"m on PC), but a Close All is quite common in other programs.
  24. True enough... although, why not also have the Revert menu item? It's weird how Affinity is leaving out things like this, seemingly for no reason or benefit. The history thing would work, but a Revert menu item (or button or whatever) would be even easier. Interesting idea you have about the 'marker' in the list, where the last save occurred. That actually would provide even more benefit than a Revert menu item, as it would show you what all changed since your last save. Good idea!
  25. Fair enough, but why even need a double set? Are all the combos using just SHIFT, ADJ or CTRL + mouse used already? If so, why not allow the user to use those for brush hardness (or whatever the user wants) instead? Failing that, why not just allow mapping of ANY key to adjust brush hardness, without even needing the mouse buttons? Just seems so odd that an action SO frequently used (much like brush size and opacity) is completely left out of the hotkey options... yet I'm sure there are much more seldom-used, 'one time' commands that ARE allowed to be mapped. I ust don't get what is gained by excluding this (and other) commands from the keyboard shortcut mapping options.
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