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Then I reckon we'll have to agree to disagree. To me, a workaround is something that happens until a workaround is no longer needed. We could go down this road parsing every word in the English language. Personally, I'd rather spend my time lobbying for the workaround to be no longer needed.

I guess it comes down to our definitions of “workaround” . I go with this - all three imply that a workaround is necessary when there is a problem, not as a long term solution: workaround wûrk′ə-round″ noun A method or process of dealing with a problem. A means of overcoming some obstacle, especially an obstacle consisting of laws, regulations, or constraints. A procedure or a temporary fix that bypasses a problem and allows the user to continue working until a better solution can be provided; a kluge. The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.

Yes. Please allow the user to set the size of the pasteboard.

In general, when I encounter something that needs a workaround, I look for a way to fix it so that one doesn't need to work around it. Isn't that how we evolve? Of course I will use workarounds as I retire from the Adobe community (no longer making money with it, as I am retired, but still do pro-bono work). Anyway, the term "workaround" implies there's an issue that should be corrected. Hopefully Serif will take notice and come up with a way to make it something that doesn't need to be worked around.

Yep. The “it’s always been this way and we’ve learned to deal with it so you should too” argument isn’t a particularly great one, nor one that helps in any way.

Not sure what you mean by that...

I should have? Guess I am not THAT experienced here. I felt I gave as much info as needed in the feature request. But I was legitimately thanking you for including the link to the thread as it's good to see the others who would appreciate this feature, as well as the three people who didn't quite get why we'd need it. Hopefully they will be able to incorporate this fix at some point in the near future.

A user-definable size. When you are used to the industry-standards (Photoshop, InDesign, QuarkXPress, Illustrator) you are used to working in a much smaller pasteboard, so you aren't always ending up in no-man's land. I can see how some users might like the huge field. But most users I've spoken with in the industry find it off-putting and would prefer to work in a space they have more control over. So, I am asking simply if they can possibly make the size of the background/pasteboard user-definable.

Thank you for posting that thread. It killed the horse, reincarnated the horse, killed it again, and then beat it ad nauseam. Bottom line - let the USER decide how much pasteboard they need. That way, ALL existing users aren't impacted. And all new users get a more familiar, less awkward working environment, depending upon where they are coming from.

Thank you. Yes, it CAN be useful. And it can be cumbersome. Depends on the job. That's why a user-adjustable option would be ideal.

Try working in Photoshop on a Mac with an Apple mouse and you can answer your own irrelevant questions. More to the point, YOU understanding isn’t my primary concern, as it seems there’s difficulty in making that happen. And to your point, if I remove my hand from my input device, WTF good is using the program at all? SO, I suggest this. Don’t worry about this. The fix won’t affect you in the least. So, just go about your happy life and I’ll do what I can to try and fix issues you seemingly can’t understand. Deal?

Thanks. Essentially, without the CLIP CANVAS command, you can do the same thing in Photoshop, or quickly resize the canvas and doc, but without the giant pasteboard area. The background can be zoomed out as far as you like to see the image frame, but when zoomed in, you don't have that giant surround to have to deal with. Honestly, a user-definable background would be the perfect solution. In the meantime, I will collect the various remedies (workarounds) that users have offered. Hopefully one day we won't need to work around...

Also, in Affinity Photo, there seems to be no use for that gigantic background. You can't use it to store stuff, because anything that's off the doc disappears at the edge of the doc. Or am I missing something here? Both zoomed out and CMD-0 (which, by the way, does the same thing Photoshop does without the gigantic sea of nothing).

Mighty generous of you... Again, it's not the mouse.

Thank you. I agree - it’s not the mouse or how people are scrolling. It’s the gigantic pasteboard.