DEMinSoCAL
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3 hours ago, Oufti said:
As expected, when I launched APub this morning, I had to wait 35 seconds (slightly longer than previously) with the app icon bumping in the Dock before the splash screen appeared. I quit immediately and relaunch: this time it took only 3 seconds.
My M4 Mini took 18 seconds to open Photo. Publisher opened a few seconds quicker. As expected, subsequent launches were instant.
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2 hours ago, Thomas J said:
Hi, my first post here!
For some odd reason, if copying the App to the documents folder and deleting it in the applications folder the slow start disappears.
I'm on a Mac Mini M4 pro and the startup time is less than 2 sec.
Time will tell if that is true. There was a short-lived myth that just copying the application in the Applications folder and deleting the original and running the copy would bypass that startup delay but as time went by, people realized it was not working and apps would be slow starting again.
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3 minutes ago, cre8tivetoy said:
Is it me, but looking through the replies, I can't find any feedback from the Affinity. Is the forum monitored by the team or not? It would be nice to get some kind of official feedback !! 🙄
It's you. Their response is literally listed at the top of page one. They probably don't post anymore about this since they have said what they have to say and have nothing more to add.
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On 12/5/2024 at 5:54 PM, MikeTO said:
I waited a few days before posting this just in case I hadn't been paying attention, but it turns out I hadn't been paying attention. 🙂 The slow launch issue is still there and it happened to me several hours after I posted this, it's just not all that slow on this computer.
My M1 Pro MBP opens the apps in just a few seconds on macOS 15.1.1. It actually has been working properly since I installed Sequoia.
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5 hours ago, Ansgar said:
It seems that with MacOS 15 Apple changed the way, XProtect updates are delivered. Since upgrading to macOS15 I never experienced any slow startups. Apple meanwhile released three XProtect updates. Would be great if this is the end of this post :). Further Information here:
A simple guide to how XProtect installs and updates in Sequoia
You are correct! All 3 apps start lightning fast! So while a macOS update fixes the slow startup of Affinity apps (making it appear macOS was the root cause all along), one still has to ask why almost all other apps didn't have the slow startup problem while Affinity apps did? Who cares? It's working the way it should now!
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5 hours ago, project_2501 said:
Why do the following apps, large and small, open source and proprietary, not suffer this problem on MacOS?
- Mathematica
- MS Office
- LibreOffice
- Firefox
- SublimeText
- ffmpeg
- Python
- VS Code
- Lyx
- LateX
- DaVinci Resolve
- Adobe Suite
- Transmission
- Librewolf
- Android File Transfer
- Blender
- Julia Lang
- Ultra Fractal
- Zoom
- Wacom
- ...
Obviously because all those other apps aren't from Affinity!
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5 hours ago, acsr said:
I fixed Slow Startup for me by Changing Display Performance Settings today!
All other occult tricks not needed.
TL;DR: Change Preferences `Performance`-> `Display` from `OpenGL` to `Metal`Result: Apps start within 3 seconds (for me).
Prerequisites: I am on an M1 Max under Ventura and Affinity Apps Version 2.4.0, purchased directly from Serif.
Productivity suffered from slow startup over 30 Seconds or longer since almost all Affinity versions on M1.Credits: The hint is from a post in this forum, but I need to find it again to proper quote it, (Source was gone during login to answer, needs followup by me later).
Until then THXalot to this genius!
Procedure in Detail
- In Affinity Designer 2.4.0, purchased directly from Serif.
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checked the setting the App Preferences Section `Performance` in the menu selection field `Display` (Darstellung in german)
- value was `OpenGL`
- changed `Performance`-> `Display` to `Metal`.
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initialize the setting by Dual Restart of the 3 Apps
- Close and restart all Affinity 2.4.0 apps 2 times
- Initial startup maybe still slow.
- After a second restart now all statup very fast
Remarks:
Possible Cause:- I guess setting up the OpenGL Emulation for the AppleSilicon environment takes ages lo load and initialize.
- OpenGL was maybe necessary for early versions on M1+
Suggestion for Serif!
- What the heck is this thread long and Serif should address this in the next update by an automatic suggestion if this strange setting is detected.
Armin
This does NOT fix it. It's a myth. It was suggested like a year or two ago and almost immediately debunked because while it may SEEM like it fixes it, the slow startup comes right back after some time (as is the case anyways due to the fact the slow startup is actually due to the macOS security system, not some obscure display setting). Check back in after a couple weeks and let us know if it still is working for you (it didn't for me a long time ago when I tried the "trick").
App startup time WILL be fast for a number of times until one restarts their Mac at which time it may decide to slow again.
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8 minutes ago, Bryan Rieger said:
This is still so painful when it happens. Everything was fine yesterday, and this morning it all ground to a halt again.
I tried all of the usual tricks (the copy/paste hokey-pokey, restart, etc), but all of the Affinity apps (and ONLY the Affinity apps) are still taking 30+ seconds to launch on macOS Ventura 13.6 (M1Pro/32GB).
Serif, your apps are the ONLY apps this happens with. Stop blaming everyone else.
Please. Fix. Your. @*#!. This has been going on for YEARS!
You didn't state -- V1 or V2 apps?
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3 hours ago, Hofnaar said:
We are with V2.2 now and it is still the same shit. Slowing down randomly, hanging and lagging... it is terrible!
I deactivated Open CL, I deactivated Retina, I made the undo limit smaller... nothing helped on Windows 10 and 11.Is it maybe, because the app always try to call the affinity servers in the background?
You might want to post this as it's own topic to get a better response because this thread is about STARTUP delays when launching Affinity apps, not slowness when USING the apps.
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4 hours ago, Hoby said:
Does anyone know if this is fixed in the new Version 2 releases?
My V1 was from the App Store and was plagued with startup delays. I bought V2 direct from Affinity and have no issues.
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Just launched Designer 2 after having launched it this morning, and it took 23 bounces on the dock before it launched. (MBP 13 M1)
Disappointing.
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6 hours ago, pharwood said:
Startup is a few seconds on Mac mini M1. Thanks Apple.
Pretty sure Apple had nothing to do with it, otherwise V1 apps would launch lickety-split now. But glad to hear V2 launches like every other app now (fast).
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Anyone try Affinity V2 apps to see how fast they start? Web or App Store versions?
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According to an email I just received, "Something BIG is coming...". New versions? Probably. Free upgrades to those of us that already bought? Hopefully (but unlikely).
Will the apps launch quickly? Not unless Apple fixed something on their end.
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3 hours ago, luispedrofonseca said:
It's beyond ridiculous this issue is still happening after years of being initially reported. Is this still being investigated or have you reached the point of not caring at all?
Isn't the answer obvious?
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23 minutes ago, M1chael said:
as far as I understand he downloads a trial of Affinity Photo, replaces the app store version (and backups that app store version before), starts the trial (accepts the license agreement), and finally replaces the trial with the backed up version of the app store.
not sure if this will *really* help to the case, to be honest.
Interesting, but none of the "fixes" I have found to work long term. They may work for a few weeks, but then...BAM! back to the 17-23 seconds of bouncing icon on the dock.
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4 hours ago, Dan C said:
Unfortunately there's been no further development update regarding this, however;
This is not true, and would not resolve this issue. Many other apps are being reported for slow loading issues, since 2020, for example:
https://discussions.apple.com/thread/253960836
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/big-sur-apps-slow-to-launch.2279325/
https://www.applevis.com/forum/macos-mac-apps/apps-launching-very-slowly-m1-macbook-air
As I understand it, this appears to have begun after Apple changed how codesiging and Gatekeeper works, meaning the apps have to be fully checked on each 'new run' (ie following a system restart), as this data is no longer held locally.
More information regarding this can be found below:
https://eclecticlight.co/2020/11/25/macos-has-checked-app-signatures-online-for-over-2-years/
https://eclecticlight.co/2018/12/22/how-thoroughly-does-gatekeeper-check-existing-apps/
We're still working with Apple to try and reduce the time these checks take, however we cannot circumvent macOS security as a third party app.
So the lingerling "logical" questions are why this happens MOSTLY with Affinity apps and why it only happens with the App Store versions? Does Pixelmator Pro, for example, not use codesigning and somehow bypasses Gatekeeper as the reason their app launches immediately?
Why do your Web versions, for the most part, not delay on start?
Secondly, there is no way to provide Affinity Web Store replacements for people that can prove they bought the Apple App Store versions since this seems it will never be fixed?
Also, YES...there are reports of other apps (mostly complaints of MS Office) that exhibit similar behavior, but if you read the posts, most say they have no issues with other apps (except MS Office, in the case of the particular thread).
It just seems if Apple changed something, then why isn't EVERY app exhibiting the delay?
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2 hours ago, Matheus Amazonas said:
Any updates on this? I get that it's a problem that requires help from Apple, but please keep us up-to-date. It's been a long, long time.
You sort of answered your own question. If they cared, they'd redesign their software to work like literally every other app that doesn't stall on start. I would guess they have zero resources working on this.
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14 hours ago, mliving said:
DEMinSoCAL, I have rebooted regularly during this period and have not had any slow app launches.
Seems you have hit upon a bit of good luck then. Metal didn't work for me as a fix. Unfortunately, no one else has chimed in with their experience using Metal setting.
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13 hours ago, mliving said:
Just a quick update.
I've been using all Affinity apps daily since May 16 when I turned on Metal instead of OpenGL and ALL apps continue to open in 2 secs.
Have you rebooted a few times? I just rebooted and my apps are back to 15 bounces before opening. Before rebooting, they were quick at launching. As a matter of fact, right after updating to macOS 15.4 they still launched fast. But did a manual restart and then back to slow again. Checked Preferences and still on "Metal" for all three apps.
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7 minutes ago, mliving said:
I completely rebooted my MacBook Pro before relaunching the apps so nothing would be cached.
And this afternoon was the first time I started my MacBook Pro since last evening the the app opening speed was still 2 sec.
I've rebooted mine after fast opening and sometimes it still opens fast. Sometimes it doesn't. Like I said, it's very unpredictable. Come back in a couple weeks and let us know if any of the apps have reverted to 20+ seconds.
Basically, Affinity has said that the problem is with some sort of "check" with Apple servers that is failing. Why they are the only app that has this check is yet to be explained. I don't think (and my results don't show) that switching how the video works fixes the startup glitch.
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2 minutes ago, mliving said:
I completely rebooted my MacBook Pro before relaunching the apps so nothing would be cached.
And this afternoon was the first time I started my MacBook Pro since last evening the the app opening speed was still 2 sec.
I'm not disproving your results, I'm saying the OpenGL --> Metal change doesn't work for me. I do know that the apps don't always stall on opening after a reboot. It's very random. As is how long the copy-app "fix" stays working.
By your results above, Designer and Photo should be opening in 2-4 seconds normally. Even after your "fix", they still take 15+ seconds. That's not "fixed". Is it quicker? Yes, but not "fixed".
I just don't want others to think that switching an app to Metal fixes the app so it opens in 2-4 seconds because it doesn't.
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4 hours ago, Patrick Connor said:
Just a thought, but could you please try switching Photo to OpenGL, running once & exit, Run again and switch back to Metal and exit. Then running up again.
Of course that seems to work because once you run an app, it starts quickly thereafter. But after I restart, Photo goes back to 22 bounces to start (expected).
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2 hours ago, mliving said:
Just a quick follow up.
All Affinity apps started in 2 sec. after a cold boot this afternoon.
Seems to be working for me.
And that is normal behavior. Even after copying the apps and running those, while it seems to work for a while, it stops working and reverts back to 20+ bounces on the taskbar, requiring you to do the "fix" again. I know you think you found a fix, but give it time.
You mentioned in your post that Designer was already launching in 2 seconds before any "fix". If that's the case, you don't have the problem the rest of us have. ALL the apps take 20+ bounces before they open. But once open, they tend to open quickly, even after a reboot, but WILL revert to super slow open soon.
I don't see how making a preference change in ONE APP affects all the other apps (if it even does).
Slow startup (all Affinity apps)
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While your logic makes sense, there is no way that anyone is going to spend another dime on figuring this out. It's been over 4 years, they've made their conclusion and that's that. Use workarounds or band-aids or whatever...it just isn't going to change unless they change something in a future version.