Intuos5
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What I'll probably end up doing is: 1. Create facing masters with Chapter - Chapter, Text - Text 2. Create combined masters in which I have Chapter - Text, Text - Chapter For these combined masters, I detach the double frames from 1. so the end result is clean (and numbering is in order), yet controlled by the simple masters.
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Yes, that's what I'll think I'll be doing too. But in my case, that'll be a lot of masterpages, since I have so many combinations. Still faster than detaching and manual editing though.
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In V1 the behaviour was much more consistent, so this is definitely a regression. 2023-09-26 10-25-55.mp4 Though as @Old Bruce pointed out, in V1 you couldn't add the numbered list's paragraph style to the master page directly. Though you can add the numbered list later and it'll work fine. So that's another regression. 2023-09-26 10-33-39.mp4 Only thing that didn't work in V1 either is if you had the same master applied to both sides of a document spread independently, as opposed to the entire spread. That's what you'll see at the end of the vid.
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And once the pages are finally correct, if I want to make adjustments by re-applying the same (or in this case an adjusted) master, the migration issues are glaringly obvious. There's no way to apply any master to the spread again without messing up the numbering. 2023-09-26 09-22-49.mp4 2023-09-26 09-24-21.mp4 Considering I type my text in Publisher, because I have to account for image spaces and the overall page layout — and that I need to add cross-references manually for my sources to get correct sidenotes — this means that when I want to make any adjustments, I have to start from scratch. So then, the way the masterpages work if they are applied to a single page of a spread completely negates the purpose of masterpages in the first place. Could someone from the staff please comment on this? I can't expect to get my work done this way, knowing that it'll most likely get messed up.
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That's not it, it's part of the issue. But if none of the text frames have any numbered list in them for the chapter, then they shouldn't be counted for numbering. That's just a faulty design, because then you cannot fill text frames of your masterpage to give an indication of the layout. Nor can you leave text frames empty, you'll always have to detach and remove them from a document page to prevent counting, which, in case you have to re-add the frame by re-applying the master page potentially gets you into migration issues. Anyways, @Old Bruce this is with your suggestions, there's no start numbering applied, frames are reset and the title paragraph style is not in use. 2023-09-26 09-09-46.mp4 When I apply the masters on a page by page basis, the numbering is messed up. 2023-09-26 09-11-16.mp4 If instead, I apply the Text master first to the spread and add the Title master afterwards, the result is different (which it shouldn't). 2023-09-26 09-12-16.mp4
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Windows 10.0.19045
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As far as I know, I haven't done anything different when I create a new document. I haven't performed any additional steps either. What I do know is that this is triggered only occasionally. So I did in fact test this a couple of times after I saw it happen first. Then on new files it didn't happen, but I managed to capture it again later using the same procedure in a new file. So the root cause remains illusive to me. The document template I used was the default A4 one: Though I recon it's possible to mitigate the issue by force refreshing the list when the length is empty for the [Any Style] filter.
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Thanks!
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While trouble shooting another issue with facing masterpages in which I mix and match different masterpages to the left and right side of the document page, I found that you can only apply one side of a facing masterpage to a single masterpage. 2023-09-25 12-28-44.mp4 Steps to reproduce 1. Create a new document with a clear distinction between the margins for inner and outer distances. 2. Create a facing master with a piece of text to indicate the left and right side page. 3. Create a single master 4. Drag either end of the facing master to the single master 5. Notice how only the left side of the master can be applied to a single page master
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Well, that's what I tried to do, but by isolating the line, the issue disappeared. This is the best I can show, overlaid with rectangles on my text to blacken it out. The no-break character is difficult to spot due to the margin. But this was a reference that I had just created based on the style that works elsewhere. 2023-09-25 12-15-29.mp4 E: Interestingly, when I reset the frame to its defaults and reapply the collumn settings and text style, the issue persists. So it cannot be a frame contents scaling problem.
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It is a particular line that breaks whenever I get rid of the character override for no-break that I applied manually. For the rest, the method to create the footnote is the same as we discussed and I verified to get working. I tried to isolate the issue, but I am not able to do so, because then the issue disappears. Can't upload the document, sorry.
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When I create a document with a Chapter and a Text masterpage spread and apply them separately on the left and right page of a document spread, the numbered lists start misbehaving. Notice that when I use a numbered list, the number starts at 2 instead of 1. This happens in Publisher 2.2.0, Windows 10.19045. 2023-09-25 10-10-10.mp4 There also aren't any overrides for the list start: Steps to reproduce issue #1 1. Create a new document and add two new masterpage layouts with facing pages 2. For the Chapter masterpage, add a title text frame and a body text frame 3. For the Text masterpage, add a body text frame 4. Create additional pages, if they aren't there already 5. Apply the Chapter masterpage to the left hand side of the first full spread (page nr 2) 6. Apply the Text masterpage to the right hand side of the first full spread (page nr 3) 7. Create a chapter paragraph style with a numbered list set to global like this: 8. Type in the Chapter text box and enable numbered lists in the toolbar for automatic numbering * Notice how the list starts at 2. Issue #2 If I add the chapter page to the 4th page and the text page to the 5th, the numbering is also off: 2023-09-25 11-24-26.mp4 Steps to reproduce 9. Continuing on from issue #1 10. Apply the Chapter masterpage to page 4 11. Apply the Text masterpage to page 5 12. Enable numbered lists and type in the Chapter text box with the numbered chapter style. * Notice how the numbering starts at 4.0 instead of 2.0. (or 3.0 when considering the initial numbering started at 2.0 for the previous spread). File for issue #1 Chapter numbering starts at 2.afpub File for issue #2 Chapter numberin starts at 4.0.afpub See forum thread for discussion:
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Well, if I use numbered lists to number footnotes and figures, those also get messed up. So this is not only a matter of numbering chapters. It's just an easy example. And yes, I do use the section manager. But I have both Parts numbers for the book (which I number with Roman numbers) and chapter numbers (which I number numerically).
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Which means this should be considered a bug?
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Still, what worked on a new document does not work on the document in which I first encountered the issue. 😅
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@anto I am sorry, but I still don't see what I am doing wrong here. I can't seem to get the result that you showed in your video. See: 2023-09-25 10-05-28.mp4 So I have started with clean pages without masterpage items assigned. I manually toggle that the title has to be a list. But, as soon as I apply the text page, the numbering for the 2nd chapter changes from 2.0 to 3.0. You can clearly see this here: 2023-09-25 10-10-10.mp4 You'd think this would be as banal as applying the masterpages in your document, but how can such a basic task be so hard (impossible for me) to accomplish?
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Cross References
Intuos5 replied to Ash's topic in [ARCHIVE] 2.4, 2.3, 2.2 & 2.1 Features and Improvements
Yes, cross-references work with list numbers, that's not the point. My point is, why doesn't the cross-reference window display the numbers of paragraphs with a numbered list? Yes, I expect them to work like styles indeed. The reason is, when I modify a preset and any existing cross-reference that uses a preset is now set to [no-preset] then it gets confusing. If they can't work as styles, then at least when you save a new preset, there should be an option to: Save and Update Presets, which 1) saves the new preset and 2) updates all presets that had the old preset applied (de-facto switching them over to the new preset). I just don't see why Affinity does not keep object styles and presets in cross-references live. That would make both features much more powerful and it's also where Indesign definitely has an edge over Publisher. -
@Hangman, I am seeing the same thing (the red ones) on my end with the no-break applied in both your own document and a test document of mine. Now I don't know why that wasn't the case earlier, because I did test this particular option extensively as well.
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I have first determined the size of the text frame and then applied a baselinegrid to the document based on the planned text frame size. So if the text frame is x mm high, then the baselinegrid is x/ number of lines in the frame. If you calculate the dimension for a single line, you can set that up as baselinegrid dimension for the document or for a particular frame. If you set it up for the document, you can then use the baseline grid to snap all your contents to and base the sizes off of the baselinegrid.
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@Hangman Are you on Mac? For me on Windows, it does not make a difference whether I check the no-break in the character style or not. In fact, I have always had the box checked since I made the topic, including when I tested zero width joiners and non-breaking spaces.
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Then the first sidenote would have a different start then the rest. But other than that, it should do.
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Thing is, I am not sure whether that then alliws you to align the notes to a different baseline grid. In my example document, the notes' baselinegrid is 3/4 of the main text frame baselinegrid, so you see the notes align with the text every 3rd line. This allows me to put more text in the notes while confining overall size on my layout. You see, if every sidenote were to be in its own frame, I wouldn't be able to align them to a different baselinegrid without manual adjustments for each sidenote/ frame.
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Okay, glad we are now on the same page with the issue.
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Yes, exactly. I have added a new video in the post before yours to illustrate the difference in terms of how the sidenotes are aligned with the text, whereas the cross references are not. This is works well, until you consider that the text may spill over to another frame on another page and then the reference for the cross-reference becomes isolated from the text, as you mentioned.
