William Overington
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Alright, I'll try that.
The results could be interesting.
William
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The sonnet it wrote, the one that mentions Lucy, is good.
William
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It also produced surprising and interesting images when asked to produce an original painting and then given a sentence in Welsh, as it seems that it probably first tried to translate into English and mistranslated some of the words.
William
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But it did produce, upon my request, a picture in the style of Claude Monet of a lady in a long green dress feeding a stegosaurus in a garden with a pond with waterlilies in flower.
In fact, in my opinion, a lovely picture, though I am not expert in art.
William
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One thing some of us tried on another website was to ask Bing Chat AI to produce a painting that includes a gibbous moon. It would not do that. When asked, it correctly stated the meaning of the word gibbous but still did not apply that to the picture, there was no linking through to the picture generating. Similarly when asked about the 1813 locomotive Puffing Billy it produced details including displaying an existing picture yet would not produce a painting of Puffing Billy, producing pictures of locomotives of types from around fifty or more years later.
William
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1 hour ago, R C-R said:
As defined here, among other things "express" can simply mean to represent in words; IOW to state something, which AI's obviously can do.
Well, yes it can.
But what it represents may be excellent, rubbish, or even self-contradictory.
For an example of self-contradiction, asking Bing Chat Ai to produce a nineteen line poem, it purported to do so, but the poem produced was not nineteen lines.
Bing Chat AI has produced for me some really beautiful images, but it also has produced some rubbish. It is me who has chosen with which to go forward, of which to buy a print and frame it.
William
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@Rickertmork Thank you. Do you let, or need to have, each colour dry before the next one is used?
William
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The place where Leonardo lived when he was in France is now a museum and park.
Welcome to the Château du Clos Lucé - The Clos Lucé (vinci-closluce.com)
It also features on Google street view. Both in the building and in the park.
William
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On 7/7/2024 at 2:27 PM, William Overington said:
I have had a go, it took from 2:02 pm until 2:20 pm.
I used an A3 landscape canvas and a separate layer for each colour.
I used Affinity Designer version 1 and I used the last of the brushes under Oils that is listed as 200.
I am thinking that I can try to select an area from the middle and it might look better.
William
I produced the above in 18 minutes, I was just having a go with an Affinity Designer oils brush.
How long should/does a proper oil painting take an accomplished artist please? I realize it will vary from painting to painting, but what sort of time, both with real paint and with Affinity Designer?
William
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20 minutes ago, wonderings said:
Seems a ridiculous scenario. Can you imagine if we all have to start proving original art is not AI?
Yes, I can imagine that as a real possibility. For a start, proving it to a client so the client's lawyers are not concerned about the possibility of future legal claims. That is the concern that my suggestion of separate apps is addressing. And for generative AI, staff artists in the premises producing art on computers not connected to the internet is addressing.
20 minutes ago, wonderings said:And again if Adobe did that and went after a graphic designer I think they would see a massive backlash, more then what they have seen with the resent TOS update.
But the complainant would not be Adobe. It might be an artist in some mid-Western state who has had his work on his website for a decade and is claiming that the AI system has been trained on his work without his permission. So then a court would have to decide whether the claim was valid or not, (how would they do that?) and the author of the book and the publisher would have a legal problem and even if they eventually won and the claim were dismissed it would still be a problem over it all.
Then there would be the knock-on effect of other authors being wary of using generative AI unless there was good provenance of how it had been lawfully trained on properly licensed artwork.
William
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24 minutes ago, wonderings said:
What a bizarre comparison. Y2K and AI. They are not even remotely related.
I regard them as related in that a decision made at one time when a then clearly available different decision could have been made can some years later result in problems that are by then difficult and expensive to fix and which could have been avoided ever happening with a bit of forethought of the potential for bad consequences when the original decision was made.
William
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11 minutes ago, wonderings said:
If I wanted to just make a picture with AI why would I use Affinity?
Suppose someone writes a novel and uses Affinity products to produce the electronic files ready to print and uses generative AI to produce some illustrations for the novel and the novel is published in hardcopy printed form, copies being sold.
Some time later a letter arrives from a law firm stating that their client claims the illustrations in the novel are in breach of copyright and claiming that the AI has been trained using the client's artwork and compensation is required.
A good defence would be that the pictures were produced using Affinity Generative AI and there is provenance that the training of the AI system was done using only artwork produced by staff artists working in the premises on computers not connected to the internet.
How else could the claim be defended?
William
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Hopefully what I am suggesting is a fail safe way to proceed.
I remember that because around 1980 it was decided that two digits was adequate to express the year that by the 1990s there was a big problem looming before the year 2000 because the expiry date of an insurance policy would seem to a computer system to be before its start date, and so on.
Converting software to have dates as four digits was a huge effort.
That problem could have been avoided if four digits had been used in 1980.
So if any AI is kept in separate apps in the Affinity suite then any future problems not apparent at present could be resolved more easily.
William
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13 minutes ago, BLKay said:
I feel this will be what happens to everyone here with AI whether you like it or not. Am I guessing?
Well, I have put forward this request to the Affinity team.
Whether the Affinity team chooses to discuss this request is a matter for them.
If the Affinity team does discuss this request then what, if anything, the Affinity team decides about this request is a matter for them.
Management must manage.
William
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41 minutes ago, gsakes said:
Ultimately, it’s about providing customers with the tools they want to enhance their creative processes.
Thank you.
Well, in my opinion it is about providing those customers who want them with the tools they want to enhance their creative processes yet also not requiring those customers who do not want them to have their work potentially deemed to be using them.
William
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6 minutes ago, BLKay said:
It bulldozes everything that's been said here.
How do you mean please?
I am an independent person.
Affinity is not owned by Apple.
My only connection with Affinity is as a customer, an end user of Affinity products, and a participant in these forums.
William
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22 minutes ago, MikeTO said:
AI is just image generation now and could be a separate app but tomorrow it will be so much more and there will be no way to keep it separate
Well why not?
Management must manage.
Surely if management wants to keep the present three apps free of AI then that is possible.
22 minutes ago, MikeTO said:I'm excited about what the future will bring and I don't want my tools to be limited.
I have AI generated images custom generated for me as a result of a text prompt that I had authored.
There is a ban on mentioning them in these forums, but I have bought prints of some of them and framed them.
I am not at all against AI, I do however opine that it needs to be kept separate from the existing Affinity programs so as to provide provenance that it has not been used when that is the case.
William
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On 7/7/2024 at 12:21 PM, Vinícius Procópio said:
Allow me a brief technological reverie. Imagine if Gutenberg had been afraid to get his fingers dirty with ink and gave up on the printing press.
Thinking about this, is there any evidence that Gutenberg ever got ink on his fingers?
Operating a printing press was a two man operation, one inked the type, one kept his hands clean and pulled the lever.
It is entirely possible that more than two people were involved.
Maybe a third person handled the paper, both before and after printing.
It is thought that Gutenberg was born around 1400. He was a goldsmith before he invented printing with moveable type.
William
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For the avoidance of doubt, I am not advocating that Affinity does not use AI.
I am advocating that if Affinity does use AI that it is done n separate programs in the Affinity suite of programs and not integrated into any of the existing three programs.
So there could be, say, five Affinity programs. Affinity Publisher, Affinity Designer, Affinity Photo, Affinity Enhancement AI, Affinity Generator AI.
Affinity Generator AI could be produced such that an AI engine is bought in as totally untrained and then the Affinity team train the AI themselves using only artwork generated by staff artists while at work in the Affinity premises on computers not linked to the internet.
That way, anything generated using Affinity Generator AI would have provenance of being both lawful and moral towards all artists.
In addition, the other three programs would be AI free, with provenance of that. Some people could choose to not have the AI programs on their computer.
In addition, if someone using, say, Affinity Publisher, were to want an original picture to include in a document, he or she could link through to Affinity Generator AI and use a text prompt and receive an original picture.
I consider that this would be a sensible, balanced approach, introducing AI in a lawful and moral way while also providing provenance of it not having been used at all for those end users who want that.
William
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How can I use those effects on my disc design please?
In the physical version the thirteen items shown here as light orange discs are 3d yellow plastic, I used pale orange here as I thought that yellow would not show up well on the web.
William
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4 minutes ago, Alfred said:
If you set both the stroke and the fill to have no colour, of course they’ll disappear, but I thought that’s what you wanted!
What I was trying to do was, that having started with an A3 size canvas and the picture has end bits against white at the edges, to use a nice part out of the middle as the picture, so none of the end bits.
I was trying to do that by having a rectangle of the desired size at the desired position and exporting the selected area.
I had tried to have a filled white rectangle with no border at the back, but having got one layer for each colour I could not get the filled rectangle to the back.
William
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2 hours ago, Alfred said:
The number 200 is the default brush width in pixels, so it doesn’t uniquely identify the brush. Hover over the brush sample to display a tooltip that tells you the brush name (‘Light Glazing Oil 04’ in this particular case).
Yes, upon checking, that is the brush that i used.
But with the name Light Glazing Oil 04, am I using the wrong brush to paint?
William
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1 hour ago, Alfred said:
If you set the stroke to have no colour and/or set its width to zero, there won’t be a visible line.
Well, I had tried that and it did not work for me, no fill, no stroke, it disappeared!
William
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