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Again, that is being more than a little unfair to Linux in general. The issue here is that this particular set of developers is taking a cavalier attitude and releasing and promoting their new display protocol prematurely while it is unrefined and still not fit for purpose. Ideally, l would like to see the Linux Foundation taking a greater role in the development of desktop Linux so that situations like this one are less likely to occur in future. In the meantime, anyone looking for alternatives to Serif Europe and Adobe products can use the Alternativeto website to find Linux-friendly options and examples are presented below: https://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-photoshop/?platform=linux https://alternativeto.net/software/affinity-photo/?platform=linux https://alternativeto.net/software/affinity-designer/?platform=linux https://alternativeto.net/software/affinity-publisher/?platform=linux

1. Pixeluvo works 100% well on Xorg, period. 2. The issue is those behind the Wayland project who are pressing ahead with that project without addressing multiple hundreds of outstanding bugs with applications and desktop environments that have been reported to them and that otherwise work perfectly well on Xorg on Linux. The Pixeluvo matter is only 0.01% or so of Wayland's issues so it is very unfair to in any way blame the developer concerned. 3. Just go to Google, type in "Wayland bugs" and see the resulting sh!tshow of results. Neither Microsoft nor Apple would get away with foisting something as bug-ridden as Wayland on their own customers and Linux users deserve better. That is where both the fault and blame lies.

1. The direct download links from the official Pixeluvo website for the Debian/Ubuntu .deb version and the RedHat/Fedora/SUSE .rpm version as provided above are all still working so they can still be downloaded and can then paid for. 2. The reason for the temporary public withdrawal is technical. There are issues with Pixeluvo fully working well with Linux distributions where the Wayland display server protocol is set as the default. 3. Wayland* is still effectively in beta stage and so there are problems with gaming, Nvidia chip sets, Electron apps and so on. If anyone using Linux + Wayland is having any issues with Pixeluvo or other software then the options are to switch back to the Xorg display server or to enable XWayland (check the instructions on how to do this for your own installed Linux distribution). *Since the RedHat/Fedora/Gnome interchangeable crowd currently and regrettably has too much (malign) influence over desktop Linux these days, they have been able to put out second rate crapola like Wayland that is at beta stage, that has numerous not addressed bugs and that causes significant problems for users.

My answers are these: 1. I paid for the full licence for Pixeluvo because it is so good. Indeed, I regard it as the best general Linux photo editor that is currently available. 2. I have been able to completely banish Gimp from my computer and it will never return. While useful progress has been made in recent years, it is still not yet up to the usability level of Photoshop, etc although the PhotoGimp plugin might help some people. 3. Here is an example of the excellent work that this photo editor can do: 4. I do recommend Affinity Photo to Windows and macOS users because l have seen what Affinity Photo can do plus there's no permanent subscription as there is with Abobe Photoshop. I should add that Pixeluvo for Linux is not in any way a competitor for Affinity Photo precisely because Serif Europe does not offer any products for Linux.

Pixeluvo is on Steam and it's an excellent, modern photo editor (a Photoshop Elements equivalent) for Windows and Linux. Links: http://www.pixeluvo.com/downloads/pixeluvo_1.6.0-2_amd64.deb http://www.pixeluvo.com/downloads/pixeluvo-1.6.0-2.x86_64.rpm http://www.pixeluvo.com/buynow/ The 30 day trial version is limited to saving files no larger than 800×600 pixels. It has an excellent, easy to navigate UI and Gimp could learn a lot from it.

l agree with you there. Apple's image software has effectively been dumbed down under Tim Cook to cater for Instagram and Snapchat users only. The least they should have done under those circumstances was to make the Aperture code open source so that others could continue the project. It is worth mentioning that ex-Apple developer Nick Bhatt has since gone on to develop RAW Power which should look familiar to users of Aperture. Link: https://www.gentlemencoders.com/raw-power-for-macos/

If you look at this official Affinity Photo video here, you will see the host, Joe Cristina, using the combination of Exposure X5* followed by Affinity Photo: *He also uses On1, Capture One and Luminar among others with Affinity Photo (this is stated in the comments below the video).

It's clear though that in the short to medium term at least that Serif Europe won't be developing their software products for Android. Therefore, I'd suggest that everyone shares their experiences here of the alternative Android apps that are available from the Play Store to help others (that's what l have done in the equivalent Linux thread).

Until such time as Affinity Photo offers the (dreadful Google) webp graphic format, one software option to try out is the basic, cross platform Nomacs image editor that is free to download and use. The "Save As" function does offer a webp option but you will have to manually add the .webp suffix in the file name box so that it reads Name.jpg.webp.

I agree with you and while they don't make specific Linux versions, the separate makers of PhotoLine, PhotoScape and SageLight all make sure that their software works well with Wine so as to cater for Linux users. Anyone can register with WineHQ to cast their 3 votes (yes, you really do get three votes) for Affinity Photo: https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=39311

I understand where you are both coming but I absolutely detest Google's malignant and ill-informed decision to bring in yet another unnecessary graphics standard format:

In this case, the cause is probably fathomable. When the creative genius that was Steve Jobs died, the accountant Tim Cook took over and, like many bean counters, he knew the price of everything and the value of nothing. He was the one that oversaw the dumbing down of software for the social media generation and the introduction of gimmicks like the touch bar on Macs thereby neglecting professional users of Apple software and hardware.

It is a wholly dumbed down software app for quick fixes for social media. My own view is that Apple should have continued to develop both iPhoto and Aperture instead (they have always had the money to do this). These days, if you want to do any form of more involved photo manipulation/editing, you now have to go third party apps.

It is also a business that is 100x smaller than the huge Adobe Corporation and people forget/don't know this. I think that under these circumstances they have done extraordinarily well to produce these three competitive cross platform software applications.

To be honest, I think the least unrealistic option is the Affinity range, starting with Affinity Photo, working well with Wine/Crossover just like the venerable Adobe Photoshop CS2 does. I would quite happily settle for a solution like that.

...not least because they would then 'deprecate' it which just a PR euphemism for axing it. The least they should have done is open sourced Aperture's code so that others could continue to develop that useful software. As for current alternatives to the $$$ perma-subscription Lightroom, I'd suggest heading over here to see if anything looks suitable: https://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-lightroom/ You can also look at relevant discussions here: https://www.dpreview.com/search/?query=lightroom alternatives&terms=lightroom alternatives

The separate developers behind Photoscape and Sagelight don't make Linux versions of their softwares but they do try to ensure that they work well with Wine. Indeed, Photoscape works so well with Wine that it is now an official Ubuntu Snap. Given Linux's current modest desktop market share, it might not be economically viable to develop Linux versions of the Affinity range at this time but I don't think it's unreasonable to ask Serif Europe to at least investigate whether they could consider trying to make their products work well with Wine/CrossOver.

Given the existing range of image viewers like Faststone, XnView and dozens of other similar viewers that already do a competent job, it probably isn't worth Serif Affinity trying to enter that already saturated market.

I don't know what platform you're using, Windows or macOS, but you should be able to find plenty of good alternatives to $$$ Lightroom by heading over here: https://alternativeto.net/software/adobe-lightroom/ There's also this review here https://expertphotography.com/best-lightroom-alternative/ and searching online for 'lightroom cc alternatives' will bring up many similar reviews so that you can avoid the permanent subscription extortion racket. Also, check out Joe Cristina's Cutting the Cord video here:

Your best bets for online Chromebook alternatives to the Affinity range of products include Figma, Canva, Gravit, Vectr and Photopea (picture below).

Yes, very important functions like non-destructive editing, inbuilt CMYK capability, etc are yet to appear and I suspect it will be a few more years yet before we see them in Gimp. The only suggestion I can offer is to keep on donating so that the good work can continue. If I may, please, I would like to make some constructive suggestions for you. The first is to try developer Diolinux's PhotoGIMP patch for Gimp 2.10+ that make the UI more like Photoshop and that introduces the Photoshop shortcuts - https://github.com/Diolinux/PhotoGIMP The second suggestion is to try the online Photopea image editor and it should look quite familiar - https://www.photopea.com/ The third and final suggestion is to try out PhotoLine and while there is no official Linux version, the developers in Germany make sure that their software works well with Wine so that Linux users are not left out - https://www.pl32.com/ There are some brief guides to PhotoLine below: http://www.russellcottrell.com/photo/PhotoLine/basic.htm http://www.russellcottrell.com/photo/PhotoLine/downloads/PhotoLineTutorial.pdf http://evrencomert.com/PhotoLine.htm While the interface might be a bit old school, it really is a competent and capable image editor (picture enclosed). I must stress that all the above options are no commercial threat to Serif Europe whatsoever precisely because Serif Europe does not yet offer any Linux versions of their Affinity products.

Other views are available, but I would be personally be happy if the Windows version could be suitably tweaked so that it worked well with Wine/Crossover just like good old Photoshop CS2 does. I think an outcome like that would be an excellent and pragmatic compromise option.

I'm a 100% Linux user these days and I can get by using Nomacs, Pixeluvo (a good Photoshop Elements equivalent), Canva and full Softmaker Office for the work/projects that I currently need to do. I would at some stage like to see the three rather good Affinity products come to Linux or at least have good Wine compatibility so they can be used on Linux that way (our friends over at PhotoLine already do this). That said, I do appreciate Serif's practical reasons why they can't yet offer any Linux or Android versions. Firstly, they are 100x smaller than Adobe Corporation and so they just don't have the same large capital/resources to do this. Secondly, and I think they're right in doing this, they are not rashly over-expanding because that can end very badly as shown by the unfortunate examples of Peppertap and Wise Acre Frozen Treats (look them up). In the meantime, we can politely request that they kindly consider doing a Linux version at some future stage and we can join WineHQ to vote up Affinity Photo (you actually have 3 personal votes to cast! https://appdb.winehq.org/votestats.php ).

Thank you for your well-reasoned post. I'm sure that the forum staff know that Linux users would like their rather good software to appear on the Linux platform in the future but l certainly can't see it happening in the short to medium term not least because they have had other very important issues to deal with, eg making their softwares work well on Apple M1 Macs and with Windows 11, for example. In the meantime, we can head over to www.alternativeto.net and www.winehq.org to see what other potential options there are and, if our equipment is powerful enough, we can use virtual machine solutions such as Fmstrat/winapps, VMware or VirtualBox.

To you and everyone else, please report this overt troll every time there is yet another toxic and extremely repetitive trolling post. Only that way will the moderators know what is going on and only then can they act. Don't respond, just report the post. I assume that the ultimate aim is to cause so much stirring that this thread is locked in the same way that another similar thread was locked down.