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  1. Martijn Hoppenbrouwer

    jagged PNG-8 exports

    Thx! I just put up a request! Hope you don't mind i mentioned you as well, because your formulation of the problem sounds like the shortest but most accurate way to describe the problem.
  2. In reference to a thread about a deal-breaker-problem that still persists in over a year see: As >|< pointed out in this thread, "the current Affinity PNG exporter does not support variable opacity in an indexed-pallet image (commonly called PNG-8), hence the jagged edges." A professional webdesigner uses PNG's quite often. If possible SVG, but PNG is still (and probably will remain) needed for specific artwork that is both small in file size and has professional transparent edges. As most of the webdesigners, that use Adobe software, know that since the CC version their new PNG exporter is quite brilliant. It exports clean, sharp and small PNG-files in 8-bit with (near) perfect transparency. In my opinion, every webdesigner living and creating websites in 2018 and beyond, cannot have jagged edges OR large filesizes. And with Affinity you have to choose between these two. The only workaround is extra software, or something like TinyPNG, through which you have to pull/batch every exported PNG-24 file in order to recreate what Adobe can do with one click. The fact that you cannot export optimal PNG-8 files directly from the Affinity software, is a show-stopper. I think for every(!) webdesigner that wants to build good websites. The workaround is no viable option - it's too complicated, slow and (very) inefficient. There are quite some options in software, both offline and online that offer the same (or sometimes even slightly better) PNG-24 » PNG-8 conversions, so the technology is there. But for me personally, i cannot use any Affinity product now because the end result (the export) is un-usable and needs an extra conversion in order to be used on the web. This problem should be fixed as soon as possible, because i think that the effective (and professional) user-base of Affinity might double. Why? Because now only fotographers of graphic-designers can use Affinity in day-to-day use. I don't believe that way more webdesigners will join Affinity, IF the PNG exporter gets improved to a professional standard. Hope to see this get implemented » then i most probably will start using Affinity!
  3. Martijn Hoppenbrouwer

    jagged PNG-8 exports

    @>|< Thanks for the clear info. This is exactly what i expected. It's really too bad this still isn't implemented, even after a year. Do you know where the best place is to make feature requests?
  4. Martijn Hoppenbrouwer

    jagged PNG-8 exports

    We did try the "More..." dialog, and started with the PNG-24 preset, then altered/tried palletization, but the PNG files that were exported are still either: Way too large - around 1.4mb for an image that can be 400kb, OR Still have the hard edges, exactly as shown in the preview above (Affinity 8-bit) - but with a bit better colors, but still the largest filesize. We practically tried everything. I hope i just have missed the exact right combination, or some setting in some other menu. But i must say i think that if they had this (great) feature of producing (far) better 8-bit PNG's, than this would be already the default setting. @walt.farrellDo you have any more or more detailed tips to follow up?
  5. Martijn Hoppenbrouwer

    jagged PNG-8 exports

    Hi Walt, Thanks for the tip, i will try to test and look there. BTW. I have the exact same problem with vector files and exporting them to PNG (8), so i think it's the same problem » the export options and results are not good and jagged (and that's what eventually counts), regardless of the type of content.
  6. Martijn Hoppenbrouwer

    jagged PNG-8 exports

    Hi Walt, I don't have the trial version anymore so i cannot exactly replicate/screenshot the export dialog from the past. But with 15 years of experience i can tell you i've tried all settings and searched (almost) the entire internet for clues, settings, options, plugins, from all over the world. I did not find any, but off course i hope you can help me. The last test i did today came from a friend who has Affinity. See the export settings in the attached image. I also have a comparison of 5 different types i used. With "Color Quantizer" being the best compressor, without losing quality around the edges, but some noticeable color compression. Affinity either has the largest file size (like 3-5 times as big) OR has by far the worst (and unusable) quality. (see attachment on how bad the edges are, hard, no soft/smoothing and also really bad color compression, far worse than the Color Quantizer we tried) BTW. The problem in this thread van Paul Ingraham is exactly the problem that i have, so i chose to add to this thread, instead of creating a duplicate one. In my opinion, this is not 'piggybacking', simply keeping exact the same problems combined in one thread. Seeing that even combined problems don't deliver activity in almost a year, i guess that 2 separate threads would not change this. Moreover, if we can fix this problem (for me), it will also be a fix for Paul - automatically, rather than that he has to search (again) and find the problem (he posted himself) in some one else's thread.
  7. I think most people don't understand the problem and are trying to explain things that are irrelevant. I see more reactions about PNG and what it technically is, but the real problems is within Affinity and how it handles PNG, esspecially PNG-8. If the viewport or zoomlevel gives you certain problems, that is not even the main or biggest problem that i have. It's that after exporting a PNG to an 8-bit file, with transparency, it also gives the(se) ultra ugly jagged edges. The final file you work with in a website is simply unusable (ugly or 2 to 5 times too large) The difference between Adobe's export to a PNG with 8-bit and transparancy is night and day (Affinity export looks like a really bad GIF from 1992, and Photoshop delivers a perfect PNG with smooth edges and transparency and an even smaller filesize as well!) As a webdesigner i need PNG's to be the best they can be - professional, smooth and small in size. I'm really willing to start using Affinity, but this PNG (handling & export) problem is a 100% showstopper. What bothers me is that multiple people have been addressing this problem, but i haven't seen even 1 reaction from Affinity about this problem and IF and WHEN they are going to fix this. I think that no single webdesigner can use Affinity (Photo AND Designer) with the current state of PNG export. PS. i have tried this about a year ago, but my trial has ended obviously. I truly hope it is fixed, but after searching the internet i haven't found anyone with a (good) solution.
  8. Martijn Hoppenbrouwer

    jagged PNG-8 exports

    It's almost a whole year later and i have searched the internet and forums to check if this PNG-8 problem has been fixed, but i can't find anything? Is it still not possible to export to a high-quality, smooth edged PNG-8 file (with transparency)? I am ready to switch to Affinity, but as a webdesigner it is crucial that PNG files both look professional and have the smallest possible filesize. It's no option to export to PNG-24 and then converting and compressing them in other application or online website to PNG-8 with the proper (smaller) file-size, this would take way too much time and efficiency out of the workflow of a webdesigner. Hope someone can answer this, or has found a (simple) work-around.
  9. Martijn Hoppenbrouwer

    Save for Web?

    I'm quite worried that this won't get into Affinity anytime soon. These requests, especially about PNG / Diffusion / 8-bit / Alpha / Anti-aliasing started around 2015 and still no single feature has been implemented to get on par with the current PNG/save and preview options, some that are in PS for years now. I truly hope that the PNG-8 optimization gets into Affinity ASAP, because this is one the biggest deal-breakers for me. (working with web-graphics)
  10. Martijn Hoppenbrouwer

    jagged PNG-8 exports

    Hi Chris, Howcome that Photoshop can do this perfectly. When exporting PNG in Photoshop, with 8-bit, i get perfect results (see attached images). Exporting PNG-24 (for web at least) is just no option due to the factor 2-5 increase in file size. The export from Affinity (with PNG-8) has major jagged edges. (see attached images). When exporting from Affinity in PNG-24 the result looks the same as the PNG-8 export from Photoshop, but is more than 3 times the size (455 kb vs. 1.4 mb) I'm almost ready to jump ship to Affinity, but this is a deal-breaker because we build websites and therefor need PNG-8 with optimal quality. BTW. i'm currently on the latest Trial version on a Windows PC (so this bug is not only related to the Mac version). 1st Image = PNG-8 from Photoshop (455 kb) 2nd Image = PNG-8 from Affinity (487 kb) 3rd Image = PNG-24 from Affinity (1.4 Mb)
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