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  1. That's a fair opinion. Others think different, and opine that the market is artificially small. It's the famous chicken and egg problem. We simply do not know. We can't definitively argue a position. We can enhance a position with anecdotal evidence, or even debate a market share multiplier for example by suggesting that user characteristics imply Linux (3.38%) could have a higher degree of creatives than MacOS (9.46%) has, similar to how MacOS might have a higher degree of creatives than Windows (86.69%) has. Since the adjusted MacOS marketshare for Affinity is 9.46/(86.69+9.46)*100 = 10%, Affinity could test this hypothesis by verifying that more than 10% of their sales are for the MacOS platform. Because if the MacOS number is 25%, it would mean the creative market share om MacOS is 2.5x bigger than the actual market share. Extrapolated to Linux, the creative market share would be similar to that of MacOS. However, when this was proposed, Affinity didn't share those figures, so we cannot argue a position on that. If this is literally about numbers, we could propose a no-cure-no-pay scheme like a crowdfunding campaign where a minimum sum of money would need to be raised, but Affinity already emphasized that they do not approve, will not support a crowdfund, and will not make a Linux version even if the money target would be reached. So we cannot probe any interest from that. So, with all avenues closed, we the users cannot definitively argue a position, and the market for creative commercial software on Linux is now Schrödinger's egg. We don't know if the chicken exists until there is professional grade photo and vector software on Linux. All we can do is share opinions. However, when an opinion includes ad hominems like "rabid", or empty platitudes like "It is not Serifs job to make Linux grow", it comes across as rather bitter, and we're left to speculate on the motivations and interests that inspire such fallacies.
  2. Actually, I see a lot of users here with a license for the Mac and/or Windows version of Affinity products, would like to have a chance to (find out what it's like to) switch to Linux. It's often that people's first experience with Linux is a positive one, and they quickly learn that their newfound enthusiasm is met with outdated opinions, arguments from ignorance, and psychologically interesting ad hominems like rabid and zealot in which an attempt is made to argue against the positive experiences of the new Linux user by likening their personal computing choices to the the characteristics of a small idealistic group of Stallmanists in the hopes of discrediting these newfound opinions by their Windows using peers, who are afraid that some formerly trivial minority OS like Linux might take away some of their software support privileges when developers might actually choose at some point to divert some of their focus and attention to this new upcoming reality. Don't worry, you've got nothing to fear from this thread for at least the entire 1.x release branch.
  3. Linus Tech Tips made a general comparison between Windows and the new Ubuntu 20.04 with a pretty fair pro's and con's list. Interesting watch.
  4. Just like to point out that both of you should be careful with math. 😅
  5. https://news.lenovo.com/pressroom/press-releases/lenovo-brings-linux-certification-to-thinkpad-and-thinkstation-workstation-portfolio-easing-deployment-for-developers-data-scientists/
  6. Linux desktop market share above 3% for second month in a row now, rising to 3.17%. Considering MacOS is consistently around 9-10%, I wonder at what point Affinity might become interested. Would Designer have been made for MacOS if it only had 6% market share in stead of 9? What about 3%? https://netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?options={"filter"%3A{"%24and"%3A[{"deviceType"%3A{"%24in"%3A["Desktop%2Flaptop"]}}]}%2C"dateLabel"%3A"Custom"%2C"attributes"%3A"share"%2C"group"%3A"platform"%2C"sort"%3A{"share"%3A-1}%2C"id"%3A"platformsDesktop"%2C"dateInterval"%3A"Monthly"%2C"dateStart"%3A"2019-05"%2C"dateEnd"%3A"2020-05"%2C"plotKeys"%3A[{"platform"%3A"Linux"}%2C{"platform"%3A"Mac OS"}%2C{"platform"%3A"Chrome OS"}]%2C"segments"%3A"-1000"} I'm guessing people in lockdown are giving linux another try due to all the new releases with preinstalled video drivers, and are surprised to find that many Windows games play smoothly for both the Steam and Epic launcher. Combined with Epic's every week a free game marketing, it's tempting.
  7. WindowsLatest.com: Windows 10 market share drops as Ubuntu record growth Could that be due to many people working at home because of the Corona crisis? Perhaps computers at the office have Windows on them, while some private home computers run Linux.
  8. One last thing about this. Is your experience (be honest) from before two LTS releases ago (2016)? I just stumbled upon this testimony:
  9. Oh yeah, we use Blackmagic Davinci Resolve (licensed), Fusion, Houdini and Blender. On CentOS. Mostly colleagues though; I'm not doing the NLE stuff. I use Ubuntu (which doesn't play nice with Blackmagic) mostly for scripting (python) which plugs into Blender, which does play nice on Ubuntu.
  10. @Mark Ingram No support. No QA. No Marketing. Just try to get a bronze rating or more if possible. If at least it runs, WINE devs will try to iron out the kinks on the WINE side. Don't move heaven and earth, but for example (I have to make up an example) if there are 10 installer frameworks out there, and two installers don't work in WINE at all, pick one of the 8 that do work. It's definitely not free, as all testing takes time. It will require at least one developer to dual boot. I have seen one employee here - I forgot their name - mention they are a fan of Linux themselves. If it takes 5% of one developer's time to "manage and investigate WINE compatibility", maybe it will be worth it. Currently, Photo and Designer do start, but crash on creating a new document. Is that a really complex crash related to deep functions, or is it a trivial system call that can be replaced without drawbacks on the Windows side? Maybe you'll find out that it didn't even take that much effort to make Affinity run near perfect on WINE, like Photoshop CC or Exposure X5. Or you'll find out that it's just near impossible for reasons. But maybe it's worth it to dedicate some small amount of resources. That's true. It's not your responsibility to listen to 25 pages of testimonies. If you don't want to, the story ends. If however you are interested in finding a middle ground way to honor the wishes here described, you could say that WINE has 80% of Windows mapped (this is a made up number), and for the critical function calls, "all you need to do" is stay within that 80%.
  11. @Mark Ingram You don't consider Proton a huge leap forward, or didn't know how actively it's being developed? Last new Steam feature for Linux I saw was creating secure isolation (sandbox) containers with different environments for different games. They've recently created Game Scopes so games are now more freely separated from the system video settings But most importantly, Proton is very actively being developed and version 5.0 was released last month. Valve partnered with CodeWeavers to work on WINE. This is now (2018-2020). Not 2012. This empirical evidence is pretty out of date. There is this very popular friendly Pop!_OS that comes pre-installed with System76 laptops. Exclusively. It is the new old Apple; I see people that want to be cool with a System76 laptop in the coworking space. On a manual (re)install, it even has native Nvidia graphics drivers running in the installer. Not even Windows 10 does that. A more vanilla Ubuntu comes preinstalled on Dell XPS laptops. Ubuntu 20.04 is the latest LTS release, released just one week ago. They have begun rolling out the Snap store, an online software center. Installing Pop!_OS or Ubuntu is now arguably easier than installing Windows, but definitely faster. Anyway, I'm not trying to convince you to develop on Linux or anything, although perhaps I'm trying to bring your perception up to date a bit. What I would very much like to convey though, is this message from CodeWeavers (from the above article): It's been asked a few times but - as far as I know - not really addressed: Can you - or why can't you - work around the things that break WINE? It's not like Windows apps can't be performant without breaking WINE, as evidenced by the WINE games that run faster under WINE than native Windows. It might consist - we don't know because it wasn't addressed - of something trivial that would make a lot of owners of a Affinity Windows license happy at the cost of very few development hours. They might not bring you new income, but once word gets out that a latest version runs well, more Linux users will buy Windows licenses.
  12. @Mark Ingram thank you for replying, even though you're restating what you stated before. It is appreciated to hear the current perspective and intention "renewed" with a fresh reply. I think it's a gamble, as some people believe that the Linux market share/demand is merely artificially small because the product/supply is not there. The wish to transition to Linux is, though, for reasons. You think it's not worth your while, and that's fair. It's interesting to keep an eye on Steam, because they seem to take the opposing end of the gamble, and invest a lot of time and money into developing on Linux. I don't think they are idiots. But I do understand they have a bigger budget to take risks. In that sense, I disagree with your notion that "the fact is". In stead, I'd rather say that you "need to follow the current market statistics rather than speculate on the size of the potential market" (demand) that is desperately waiting for your (or a competitor's) product (supply) as evidenced by 25 pages of testimony here, "for security reasons." Because the latter has the benefit of being closer to the truth, and won't alienate your 25 pages of Linux users that have been trying to convince you that it is, in fact, not a fact, for the past 4 years.
  13. Okay. You were being ambiguous then. You seemed to talk about the Linux Foundation and how they should do something contrary to their mission. Also, the Linux Foundation doesn't really care about desktop. False. Look at this topic. Look at pay what you want bundles. Linux users pay the most. Wine argues differently:
  14. False. Node.js developers were the most sought after backend developers in 2019. It is a huge success story. True, but the first battle is won. Linux now supports far more games than OSX through new developments. It's starting to rival Windows. False. Ask Red Hat Enterprise Linux what they and their billions of revenue think about free software. I understand your frustration but please don't spread misinformation.
  15. Just to stop the confusion before it starts: The Linux Foundation promotes commercial adoption of open source software and free standards. Affinity products are the exact opposite of what would meet these standards. Examples are Node.js, Embedded Linux and Tizen.
  16. I think that's the second most realistic approach. One developer at Serif (forgot the username) is/was a Linux user themselves. They are probably aware of the massive new developments in WINE concerning OpenGL, Direct3D 12, Vulkan3D. I imagine if they figured out it's technically possible to make a lot of people happy by making a slight change in the Windows version, they would. Third option is they start working on a Linux version. The time they said "not now, maybe later" is what, 3 years old? Later is now. Perhaps we can ask @Andy Somerfield or @TonyB if new developments or this ongoing thread in the background has changed their perspective or ambitions at all.
  17. While you are right that the statistics have no real relevance in this discussion, I think you misunderstand what these statistics are. The servers you mention are irrelevant. The statistics 100% show users/clients, not web-servers. The fonts are popular as a CDN (content-delivery-network). If you "use" this on your webserver, it means you point to it on your webserver. The client still downloads it from their desktop or mobile, which generates the statistics. So all statistics are end users, none are webservers. The reason that you are right about the relevance is because Linux includes Android (mobile).
  18. Off-topic here, but that's not accurate. fonts.google.com is the web-server. It's a CDN. Those requests come from real user agents. I don't see Android there, so that might be identified as Linux, but web servers have nothing to do with this.
  19. You can run it in fullscreen and even HiDPI/4k mode works nicely. You can do everything. Except open a file or create a new file. 😂
  20. Try installing wine-staging (5.2) and select this version in the launcher settings. It gets a LITTLE bit farther. For me it very quickly crashes.
  21. I have the same experience as you. I manage to get past everything, but then at the final splash screen, nothing else happens. The Lutris Wine log (button on the right panel) shows the following: This was supposedly fixed in wine 5.2 but my Lutrix installer seems to download Wine 5.0. I wonder if the current install script actually works for anyone, or if this is just an experiment.
  22. For me this is not working. Half of the winetricks command end/freeze with an empty window open (but work fine with the default installed wine). However since it's working for you, I'm optimistic this will work itself out! Where can we track when this patch is being merged to mainline? I prefer to (wait for and) install a package version from the beta repository, so not to mess with the ability to run my existing wine apps.
  23. Not sure if relevant, but here is the English download page. https://store.serif.com/en-us/update/windows/photo/1/ In case download contains i18n.
  24. A lot of people have similar stories to yours. And while we (Linux crowd) understand the palette of reasons and benefits, from an outside perspective it still sounds like a choice you could have not made, i.e. complaining. The old comment by Patrick illustrates this well: This is of course a charged statement because Affinity makes tools that you use monthly, weekly, or sometimes daily. Disneyworld is something you'd visit between zero and one times. So a better comparison would be to move to a different city that has no fast food companies, and asking if McDonalds, KFC, Subway or Chipotle to open shop in your city. But the statement does show what it sounds like when you ask for Serif on Linux after stating that you're moving away from Apple. I think (happy) Windows/MacOS users don't appreciate the 'sacrifice' (i.e. comfy availability of commercial software) you've made, because they don't understand the accumulation of things that make it worth it. Even then, if you're switching to Linux full-time it probably means that you have grown accustomed to it for the past 5+ years, and have gotten acquainted with the general community mindset of getting everything to run on everything. This is in stark contrast with - generalizing from the loudest comments here - Windows (and especially) MacOS users, that seem to appreciate exclusivity while they are a part of it. I guess the move from MacOS to Windows already incurred a loss of exclusivity and some angered responses over that were heard at the time too. The MacOS "creatives" had already suffered a dilution of their community with Windows "mainstreamers". And now they should welcome the Linux "zealots"? Hell no. Linux is the opposite of exclusivity, because everyone can install it on everything, for free. That can't be good or sustainable. It will infect everything it touches and turn it into the same ugly GTK+ muck we know Linux to be. (This paragraph is a dramatization from the perspective of a Linuxphobe.) What I'm trying to say is that you, and the many before you, need a different story that appeals to the target audience (not the choir) more. I'm not sure it's possible though.
  25. I don't even know which software can do pano and which don't. At some point you stick to your tricks, and I guess some of us used http://hugin.sourceforge.net/ (FOSS) before it became a mainstream automation in commercial software.
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