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I see people here coming bluntly and saying "Serif will do that, Serif won't do other". Well, I know what Serif states, but I don't understand why serif allows them to speach for itself, as they are no employees and not empowered to carry Serif's interests. Or are they? I see also people twisting other people statements. I have not even relied on Wine or Darling to run Windows/Mac applications, neither stated Linux will run Windows/Mac software. I am stating it is possible to have reliable Linux apps in any fields, if you like, I have asked for Linux support to several companies for some of their products, I have explained facts and why it is possible. My bad. There are people here that simply troll Linux users or adopters with things that are their opinions regarding Linux and what will happen to it and to companies producing commercial software for it. I am sorry, I would not even provide a response to those, but, really, I can't avoid that when some statements are so illogical. I try to be as delicate as possible. Please forgive me.

Ha ha! Exactly the same board, same end. But now it is illegal. Also virtualizing under other OS than OS X.

mzzfdrc said, I quote: : Yeah, Terminator runs Linux!

Please explain, I don't use it, but I can download a stable and a development version. Why should I need nightly?

@R C-R, stop talking truisms. I am not discussing Serif's choice. It's my duty to myself to support my opinions. It's simple to accuse Linux for all the evil in the IT world for just not being properly managed by some users or developers. And yes, it is not as bad as some might want it to be. Just read carefully what @mzzfdrc wrote, as he said it so accurately.

SrPx, as being so kind and nice and balanced, I answer you this, as you deserve an explanation: there are important Linux segments that need those tools. I don't agree wih the opinion of Linux having no consistent business segment or having none or all. Some here are saying there is no value in Linux etc.. It is, even though they accept it or not. There are many guys making big money or making a living with Linux. If a company can't or doesn't take it into account, it's other story. A "pure designer" is one with a degree in design, knowing to do design for some field and making a living from it by simply drawing stuff in 2d or 3d tools. But there are crossovers, like software developers that need to design UIs, which are technical and often need to work on some other OS that their tools are built for. For these, it's a pain to maintain several OS'es just to do their job.

Android is Linux.

Now I see why you don't run Linux: because you understood it wrong. Linux is not the one not supporting some software. Au contraire. Companies do not support Linux. Their choice, their loss.

mzzfdrc, welcome to my club! But try to be more delicate, there are faint hearts here... Screenshots like that might harm them. So you say there are more than pure designers using graphic tools professionally? Like geeks. Hmm, that might be unexpected.

Actually, they could take you by surprise very well with their incoming message sounds that can't be muted (unless you change or remove the sounds completely).

Yeah, I imagine terminators army stopping for hours to update, as if they were running Windows.

That explains why are they so hard to defeat!

Well, Mandrake had a graphic installer, I have chosen several thing just as in Windows, like host name, Internet connection type and account, user name some apps. It also had a graphic installer to reinstall, using the current configuration, to fix the boot. There was a control panel like applet. It also had a tool that monitored to system and restored things in case I made some wild rights replacement by misake and did more than safe settings - it also had a UI to override and set these. Was pretty straightforward. They've tried hard to help Windows users to migrate. I have learned to manage it fast. Later, I've tried what you suggested, I've built a linux from scratch, a Gentoo. With their documantation, worked, but I had to compile everything. I did not have issues. Am I too geek? Was I lucky? Both? No idea. The Linux difficult times I remember were in 95. Even then, I remember a Windows UI clone that was KDE.

I have started with Mandrake, that become Mandriva and more than 10 years ago it installed fine and I have even moved it with the HDD to another machine and worked as a charm. In the last 7 years I've switched on a PC and an Nvidia Optimus based Laptop to Sabayon, which is rolling release, so I have updated them from version 5, to 15, nowadays. I also have a headless NAS with Atom + Ion for media, with Mageia, the fork of Mandriva, using Webmin to manage it. Also updated yearly from version 1 to 6. Sorry to dissapoint you, but they work wonderfully. My external Creative sound card works better on Linux, under Windows I always have issues with their console, that is truly unresponsive. I also have a Hauppauge TV tuner that works fine under Linux. On Windows it does not start unless I plug it again or restart the system once (works on even boots...).

Nope. There are 8 and 8.1 which rewrote the kernel radically, one at system level, one at user level. Then we've got 10, with some partial UI replacement several times (I don't discuss the Metro UI here, just the window system and management stuff - control panel being still partially replaced or duplicated). But most important, driver architecture. That made impossible to have backward compatibility for 7, so they made us 10 dependent on new devices. And 8 to 10 added all kinds of user spying, so, now, each operation is sent to Microsoft at least. If you install a firewall, you can see that. For instance, today I have processed my holiday photos and I've opened them in Windows photo application several times. Each time it was sending something over the Internet. For every image. And so on...

Right, my bad, Patrick Connor said that.

True. Still, there is a pattern. And you did not make money with Linux because of the lack of support from third parties rather than Linux itself. One people's trash could be other's treasure.

See, this is why we repeat so much The emphasis is mine. Doesn't matter who said, users seem to ask this, right?

In the company I work for, Windows failed hard lately. Linux worked well every time. It depends on what you do, probably. And some famous Linux distros died in my arm in 2 hours every time. Yet, if you are hardcore and use Arch, or lazy, as I am, and use Sabayon, it could be a success. Windows was allright until Mr. Gates left, then chaos stroke somehow. Windows 10 is better than 7, when it works...

You do, even though indirectly, Affinity Photo and Affinity Designer could replace Photoshop or Illustrator, basically, regardless it is not your purpose.

So you say the users look to replace Adobe's products? Why? BTW, sorry to be apparently off-topic, but does Affinity Designer exports EPS10 that embeds the vector data in order to be editable in Illustrator as a vector again?

No, it's painful for a designer what for SrPx or me is a natural thing. And why MacOS/OS X version? This seems as little as Linux, compared to Windows user base. Anyway, there is a Microsoft Office for Android, which is Linux, though. But LibreOffice is just as good. Affinity suite or Photoshop/Illustrator have no match under Linux, no matter how hard I try other free tools. Still, knowing Affinity's position on this, my discussion is with other, non-staff,members who must have bad experiences with Linux in the past, drawn the conclusions, possibly did not try it again. It's pretty useless to tell again and again Affinity's position. I know it, I accept it, I have mine too, that's it. It's like fighting inertia... And for me Windows is something big and slow for no reason. I've had a lot of comedy, lately, from it, still not laughing.

I agree, the OS should be invisible to the non-technical user. This is probably the OS X case. Windows became so visible lately... Still, as long as a designer needs to be sure of color calibration, tablet tuning, RAM and process optimization to make more room for your tools etc., more and more technical knowledge is needed. Or if you need automation of some kind... well, it starts hurting.

Right. I know all these. Let them do it if they feel it.

Right, I knew that. IMHO, you should be, in order to make assumptions on how things would deveop in such case, even they were right.