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Will give them a try.

Either way, my birthday present arrives tonight! I've actually been thinking about getting one for a long time (and this is without knowing what the heck I was really doing). Thanks to Chris, I am now on a journey of figuring it out!! Got the book last night and read through the first chapter. I really appreciate the way they touch on pretty much all photographic details, not just jump into 'here's how you do this in Photoshop' (just like you said they do). Anyways; I finally have a calibrator and I look at it this way... I have a lot to learn, so if possible, why not make it go as smooth as possible. Thank you

Perfect, my wife was just asking me if I wanted anything for my birthday and I said I don't think so... Well now I do. He he.

Chris, this helps very much! This explanation is the conclusion I was slowly coming to, but I guess I couldn't get through my thick scull. Thank you!

Awesome, and believe it or not, Ireland was my first thought but because of how our brain sometimes works, I thought "wait, that's just too obvious". Well, it was obvious for a reason! (o: Also, one of my all time favorite movies kept popping into my head...

I've actually tried exporting them with just about every choice and preset that is available. The Tiffs are even coming out darker. Here's a screenshot of a photo in the Affinity desktop and one I exported to a Tiff side by side. It doesn't matter what I open them in either, even when I open them up in Affinity. Here is a 'Tiff' export I just did... I opened the tiff up in Windows Photo (or something, it doesn't matter)… Took the opened Tiff and placed it beside the open 'developed' image in Affinity. Note, the only editing I did to this photo was to add an unsharp mask. So here's something I haven't asked yet??? Are yours, or anyone else's exports coming out looking EXACTLY the same as they do on your Affinity desktop before you export them? Now; as you can see, I was able to upload this jpg with no problem. However, I copied this from the PC I did the work on and now the left cannon is darker but sharper, on the PC that I copied these 'from' the left cannon was lighter and sharper. So the sharpness didn't change but the overall brightness did. I also can see clearly that the entire image quality of both has gone down.

I'll take that in a heartbeat! Hmm... Friendly, caring, sheep, backward words on the roads, and no idiots-I mean bureaucracy... Maybe Scotland, NZ... Just sounds perfect!

Thank you once again Chris, my book arrives tomorrow! Don't worry about it but the file didn't work, you have done more than enough for me!! I was in the IT field for over 8 years working with Windows and I still use Windows, and yes, I still hate Windows! But what the heck, Bill got rich. (o: I am also copying and pasting everything you've said for a reference (can't remember it all), don't worry, I won't sell it. Ha ha. By the way, the message you got "first Screen shot", I've never seen that before. Interesting. I just opened it back up myself to see if I got the same message and I got a different one... "Open recovery file?" I don't get it because nothing went wrong when I saved it. If you don't mind, I would be interested in one final thing... Where are you from/live? That seems to be the one thing I'm always interested in with people I've met and/or talked with.

Chris, no need to make sure I understand your intentions, you have not only blown my mind, but you have shown me exactly what I need to see/hear! If not for you, I may have spent who knows how long trying to figure all of this out, AND I've already been doing it for some time now (what a waste). I have already taken some lessons on editing and Affinity and it looks like I am either totally brain dead or I found the wrong sources. You have given me some very good direction and I can't thank you enough. If you know of any other sources of knowledge (free or pay) please pass along, and again, thank you! Wes

Chris, when are you coming out with your 'pay' lessons, I'm in! For what it's worth, I'm going to see if it will let me upload some images now, however, reading what you're saying, I just need to get to work and learn more! I can see there's a lot more that just adjusting what I want, when I want, and expect it to come out like I see in the workspace. Interesting, the JPG wouldn't upload, I guess they really are junk! (o: DSC_5261_Only_RAW_adjusts.tiff DSC_5261.afphoto DSC_5261.tiff

Evidently I backed out of my post here before I submitted it. Let me just say WOW, I am amazed and appreciate the responses here!! I can see I have a lot to learn and will take the suggestions and start right away. I was going to leave it at that, but then I went in and tried something and now want to keep this going in case it not only helps me, but others in the future. So, as long as anyone else is interested, I will continue to post some tests and results. I hope to post a screenshot of a photo open in Affinity, a save of that shot, and a tiff and/or jpg tonight. In the meantime, I can say that I have done some quick experimenting and exported a photo as I worked my way through it (both tiff and jpg), and while it still starts out darker, the biggest change is when I add something like 'curves' or 'vibrancy'. Things such as 'levels' or 'brightness' do very little. So I'm guessing it's pretty much related to a 'color' issue. Duh, right.

Just read this and it's giving me hope: SRGB vs Adobe RGB RGB (Red, Green, and Blue) is the color space that encompasses all the visible colors. But it is not possible or reasonable to include all of them into a digital representation. Because of this, alternative color spaces like SRGB, which stands for Standard RGB, and Adobe RGB were created. Both color spaces can represent up to 16 million colors. But the main difference between the two is what colors they cover. SRGB was created first and only covered a fraction of the entire RGB range. Adobe RGB, which came later, covered a little bit more of the RGB color space in the shades of green. The increase in the number of colors that Adobe RGB has given is a much wider color gamut. But since it can only contain a fixed number of colors, some of the colors come at the expense of others. So if a color had a specific number of shades in SRGB, it would have fewer shades in Adobe RGB. Because SRGB was created first, the majority of the computer monitors and printers are optimized for that color space and not Adobe RGB. You should take note of this if you just want to print photos in your typical printer or you want to upload photos online. Using Adobe RGB in these scenarios would only make your pictures look worse. The colors on the monitor or paper would look duller or washed out due to their non-identical nature. This is because most computers and printers only recognize SRGB and treat the file as such and not as Adobe RGB. Read more: Difference Between SRGB and Adobe RGB | Difference Between http://www.differencebetween.net/technology/difference-between-srgb-and-adobe-rgb/#ixzz5U5b4lLKr

R C-R, you just triggered a memory (whether this is it or not). I was playing with my settings while reading an article not too long ago and just went back in to verify... I had switched my 'color space' from sRGB to Adobe RGB. I did this on my D7100. I was also carrying a D3200 with me this past week which I've never changed the color settings on (if you even can on that model) and I do not believe I'm seeing a problem with them changing on export! So long story short, I've changed the setting back to sRGB and will take some shots today and we'll do a little testing. Thanks much. Walt, I tried to upload some pics but kept getting an error message. I'll try again tonight. Hopefully; I won't need to if this change/test goes well.

Well, I spoke too soon... Went back to work and the very next photo I worked with didn't export correctly. Maybe I'm not understanding what is meant by "the right color profiles are constantly used and embedded in JPGs when exporting". If I'm in the right place in the export settings then I've tried every one of them. If I could trouble someone to explain to me what is going on when I export to a jpg, that might help. At this point, I have to be honest and say that I am more than amazed that there is not a simple way for me (or Affinity) to say "hey, export this photo I see in front of me and make it look exactly the same as I see here". I've been using After Shot pro and Paint Shop pro for years and never had the export come out different than what I see in the editor. I 'maybe' could see if I'm saving the Affinity file on one PC and then taking it to another one and exporting it, but to have it come out totally different on the same machine makes no sense. I probably shouldn't include this, but I don't think it's doing it to every photo, it seems to be random, which is of course very puzzling because they're coming from the same camera and I'm not changing any settings between pics.

Thank you very much v_kyr! I believe I found it with "Adobe RGB (1998)" I will admit that I don't really understand what is going on here, but I guess I better start to find out. I'm not really into anything other than developing my photos to get them looking as good as possible without tweaking things to the point of being fake, but it looks like I better know a little bit more about how I'm doing that! Thanks again! Thank you also for the reply Ivan