Warmington Paul
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Just now, Dan C said:
Thank you for your video and for confirming that. Are you running High Sierra on your Mac please? I've found similar issues reported previously when running High Sierra and using the Apple RAW engine.
I was - just upgraded to Mojave this week - problem was there before and still is.
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I should probably add that the images opened using Serif in Assistant are much better after the reset, but not as good as those using Apple (when it works!)
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23 minutes ago, Dan C said:
No problem, thanks for confirming that.
I've been opening and closing the RAW files in Affinity from both Apple Photos and directly as RAW files from my desktop and I'm yet unable to replicate this.
Could you provide a screen recording of this happening? I understand it's only occasionally so if not possible then not to worry. You can record your Mac screen using the following instructions: https://support.apple.com/en-gb/guide/quicktime-player/record-your-screen-qtp97b08e666/mac
Another option is to reset your app to defaults, as this may fix the issue, however this is only a possibility as I'm running default settings and not receiving the same issue.
You can reset your app back to its default settings by holding down the CTRL key while launching the app. When the Clear User Data window appears, click Select All and then Clear.Be aware that resetting your app back to its default settings will lose any custom settings such as keyboard shortcuts and brushes etc. To backup such settings before resetting the app, please watch our Affinity - Exporting User Settings and Keyboard Shortcuts video.Here you go - this is the screen movie - image is dragged in with Serif set - OK but dull. then assistant reset to Apple and image corrupted. I then open Photos to show the native image. By the way - I have also done the reset to defaults.
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4 minutes ago, Dan C said:
There should be no list of apps when following (File ▸ Export ▸ Export Unmodified Original) in Apple Photos app, as this should export your RAW file to a file on your Mac that you can then open directly in Affinity, rather than through Apple Photos.
I'll look into this using your RAW files and come back to you shortly
Thanks - I slightly misunderstood the original question. I have taken the RAW files directly to desktop and opened them from there, rather than using Photos external editors, same result. Using the Apple engine, the file opens correctly occasionally, but then starts showing as a multi panel type effect - imagine the image split into quadrants and randomly displayed or repeated. Using Serif the image opens looking ok but is very dark, or flat, and can’t really be corrected in editing.
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25 minutes ago, Dan C said:
Thanks for confirming that, could you please provide me with a couple of sample RAW images to the following link? I'll certainly look into this for you!
On their way now - I have seen this problem raised by a couple of other people without any workaround suggested - hence the trip to the forums.
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6 minutes ago, MEB said:
Do you also have trouble if you export some RAW files from Apple Photos (File ▸ Export ▸ Export Unmodified Original) and open them directly in Affinity Photo with Apple RAW engine?
That option does not seem to be available - Affinity is greyed out in the list of Apps
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8 minutes ago, Dan C said:
Hi Warmington Paul
According to Apples RAW list, the Canon EOS 80D is only supported in the 'Canon RAW format only'. Do you have your camera saving to a different RAW format, or have you converted the images to DNGs?
Hi - no - standard Canon xx.CR2 RAW, been using it with iPhotos and now Photos for 2 years with no issues at all. All is fine in Apple's own editor its just when I jump out into Affinity
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Hi - I am stuck a little here. When I import RAW files from Photos with the Apple RAW engine switched on in Assistant the first image usually goes in OK but then subsequent images fail - either black screen or a multi pane effect with parts of the image in each. Switching to Serif engine fixes this but the images appear underexposed and flat. Images are taken on an EOS 80D in manual mode. Any suggestions of workarounds or fixes please?
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Yes that does help, thank you. I will start playing around with Photos, as yet I haven't used it. I also have some "birds in flight" shots that didn't quite make it!
Cheers.
One additional comment - you can only import the ORIGINAL RAW file into Affinity from Photos. If you have played around with the RAW image in Photos and then open it for editing in Affinity, it defaults back to JPEG/Apple Photo Format. To get to the RAW image you need to revert to original in Photos
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I have just been working out a process for this and put some thoughts in another post on using Photos and Affinity in tandem. My conclusion has been as follows (should note that I am a keen amateur rather than a pro and am not into huge playing with photos to fundamentally change the way they look - I am merely into improving the image to correct issues with exposure, cast etc and cropping)
I use Photos as the library system. I import via a card reader after each shoot and then have a range of folders etc that I store images on for easier access. However, I have a simple process to follow on the import before I fully file them.
1. Delete rubbish (burst mode duplicates, clearly beyond help shots - I do a lot of birds in flight)
2. Edit the best images
3. Refile into final folder
For editing, I am just getting into Affinity as a better option than DPP, Photos native or Elements (which needs a £60 new version to support the RAW file on my EOS 80D). After a lot of playing around, I have decided on the following workflow
1. Basic tweaks on good basic pictures - use Photos native editor on RAW files to create a good JPEG, also using the option sometimes to export the edited RAW outside Photos
2. For more extensive work - use Affinity as follows:
a) Start with RAW file & Open to Edit in Photos
c) Use External Editors extension to call up Affinity which keeps the RAW file as the one being edited
d) Do appropriate work
e) Share tweaked file to Photos which creates a JPEG of a good quality - albeit with the 16MB limit and then refile in appropriate folder
f) For really special images - export as TIFF etc outside Photos
Hope that helps.
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As mentioned, once you develop an image, you can no longer edit it as raw. If you want to start over, you can go back to your original raw in Photos. You can also save a layered document in Affinity and go back to that later. You can't use the Affinity plugin for that though, but there's another plugin called External Editors in the App Store for $3 that is totally worthwhile and will allow you to update the jpeg for any image in your library.
Hi and thanks - as I said above, I was not looking to save a RAW file but create a better JPEg from it than Apple Photos seems capable of!
Anyway - a bit more playing around and here is what I have worked out - may be useful for others trying to use Affinity and Photos together
Firstly, there is a fundamental difference between accessing Affinity from External Editors and as a direct extension. In External Editors, the RAW files stays a RAW file in the edit tray. Calling up Affinity directly as an extension transfers the file to "Apple Photos Format" - which I presume is just a JPEG?
Using External Editors -
Open a RAW file - edit etc.
- Save or Save As creates an Affinity Photo format file that you can place in any folder, desktop etc, but not back to Photos
- Export allows any file format but again only in folders not to Photos automatically, only via drag & drop - which places it in the right date and file sequence in the library
- Share in Photos creates a new JPEG in Photos based on the edited RAW
- None of these ends up changing the original RAW which stats in Photos nested with the original JPEG unless you Save Changes in External Editors which does mask the RAW unless you Revert to Original
Using Affinity direct from Photos without External Editors does not allow Save As (its greyed out) but all the other options above are available.
The only difference to the detail above is that Saving the edited file, then closing it takes you to a new edit window in Photos where you save the changes. That kills the RAW until you revert to original in Photos.
For me - if I want better JPEGs from the RAW originals in my main library, Share to Photos looks a good option with access from the External Editors extension.
In fact, it would appear that using EE is the best bet to work on RAW files contained in Photos full stop as unless I am missing something there is an automatic translation away from RAW when calling Affinity direct from Photos without going via EE?
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When you start editing RAW file it can't be saved anymore in RAW format. You must choose another one and the best one (lossles) is TIF. If you save it as JPG and continue to work with, then you will lose quality everytime you save the file.
I think you missed the point of the question - I am not trying to save the updated RAW file - I want a JPEG, TIFF, whatever new version, and am NOT trying to save an updated RAW. The issue is that exiting Affinity back to Photos saves a JPEG but also masks the original RAW. In the Photo Persona, the Save As function is greyed out when editing a RAW from Photos - see my post below for the options I have worked through.
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Has anyone worked out the best workflows to use when editing RAW images in Affinity extracted from Apple Photos? The new 1.5.1 extension works fine to take the RAW image across and the JPEGs produced seem of good quality with a lot of details retained vs the JPEGs produced by Photos in a similar process. However - when saving back to Photos (unless I am missing a step) they go back as a JPEG and the RAW image is no longer available without a revert to original action. I am sure this is not the real case but as yet I can't find the work around?
No answers then?
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Has anyone worked out the best workflows to use when editing RAW images in Affinity extracted from Apple Photos? The new 1.5.1 extension works fine to take the RAW image across and the JPEGs produced seem of good quality with a lot of details retained vs the JPEGs produced by Photos in a similar process. However - when saving back to Photos (unless I am missing a step) they go back as a JPEG and the RAW image is no longer available without a revert to original action. I am sure this is not the real case but as yet I can't find the work around?
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Showed up perfectly as an update in the App Store for me - took about 2 minutes to download and install
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Hi Warmington Paul,
The Edit in Affinity Photo extension (in the upcoming 1.5 version) is only able to send the file back to Apple Photos as JPG's.
There's no way to send RAW's with edits since Affinity Photo doesn't support XMP sidecar files no matter the external program used.
Affinity Photo 1.5 supports Canon 80D RAW files no matter the engine chosen - Serif Labs or Apple (Core Image RAW).
Thanks - I had wondered about that transfer back of updated RAW files. I reality, that is not too big an issue as the image you usually publish or share etc is the JPEG anyway, and the RAW is for "internal" use only. The positive in 1.5 (in addition to the much better editing tools than Photos offers) is the ability to get the improved JPEG from the RAW original easily and directly back to Photos - and the hope that it will be a better JPEG than the one Photos produces itself in the edit process! Currently I often edit RAW in Photos then export as JPEG to Desktop which produces a far superior image than the JPEG generated by Photos.
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Welcome to the Affinity forums Paul
Once you have finished editing the RAW file and are ready to save as a JPEG file you will need to click File and Export, you will then be able to select the format you require.
There is a new feature that will be available in the 1.5 update to Affinity Photo that will allow you to open, edit and save back to your Apple photos App, this update will be available via the Mac App Store on its release.
Thanks for the response - that is pretty much what I thought. To summarise (I have seen a number of threads on this so I wanted to try and clarify for my own peace of mind!) -
As things are today:
Access JPEG only inside Affinity from Photos using either View/Media Browser or File Open which also file changes to the JPEG back to Photos
Access JPEG or RAW using External Editors for Photos inside Photos - updated JPEG filed back to Photos through the EE app, updated RAW cannot be filed back to Photos, but can be saved and exported in a range of formats to desktop (for example) and then drag & dropped back to Photos
From V1.5
External Editors no longer needed as there will be an extension to Photos which calls up Affinity and allows edit of RAW or JPEG and then save back in RAW or JPEG to Photos
V1.5 also has native support for Canon EOS 80D RAW which currently has to use the Apple engine option in Affinity
Does that capture it?
Thanks
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Hi all
I have seen a number of discussions on this but am still slightly confused. I use External Editors and Photos and for JPEG the Save feature works just fine - play with the image which fires up straight from EE, Save, and then Save Changes again in EE and there is the new image in Photos - perfect.
However, I shoot RAW to create better final results and the second part of the process currently doesn't seem to work - Save takes me to Saving on Desktop or similar, and nothing changes in EE. I think that this is how it should be currently until the new version of Affinity comes out shortly - but wanted to double check that I am not missing something? I also see no way of saving the edited RAW as a JPEG in the Affinity app.
Many thanks in advance
So - no one able to answer this?
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Hi all
I have seen a number of discussions on this but am still slightly confused. I use External Editors and Photos and for JPEG the Save feature works just fine - play with the image which fires up straight from EE, Save, and then Save Changes again in EE and there is the new image in Photos - perfect.
However, I shoot RAW to create better final results and the second part of the process currently doesn't seem to work - Save takes me to Saving on Desktop or similar, and nothing changes in EE. I think that this is how it should be currently until the new version of Affinity comes out shortly - but wanted to double check that I am not missing something? I also see no way of saving the edited RAW as a JPEG in the Affinity app.
Many thanks in advance
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Thanks - saw the other thread as well - works fine now
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Hi
I may be doing something totally dumb but I have just installed Affinity and if I open a RAW file all I get is a bleached magenta image in the window. The file is a CR2 file taken in a Canon 80D that works fine in apps like Canon DPP, and is dragged and dropped out of Photos onto the desktop. I seem to be missing something here?
Image corruption when using Apple RAW Engine
in Pre-V2 Archive of Affinity on Desktop Questions (macOS and Windows)
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No - the problem was there long before the upgrade, it may have first surfaced with a High Sierra however. When I googled the issue before the switch from Apple to Serif was suggested which I used for a while but the seemingly flat and underexposed imports started to become annoying.