text box defaults

[walt.farrell]

2 hours ago, thomaso said:

There aren't "two modes" of the buttons at all:

The Revert button always does the same: reset to the saved default.
So it reacts in one kind (or mode) only, regardless of selected or not-selected objects.
As long "Revert" isn't pressed the current/recent style gets used.

No, there are two functions.

From the Help for the Toolbar, with my emphasis,

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Revert defaults—synchronized defaults are reverted to saved defaults. If an object is currently selected, its attributes revert to the default settings.

If an object is selected, the function affects that object only. If not, it affects all the synchronized defaults.

[carl123]

11 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Revert defaults—synchronized defaults are reverted to saved defaults. If an object is currently selected, its attributes revert to the default settings.

That line is a bit ambiguous but I am reading it like this.

Revert defaults—synchronized defaults are reverted to saved defaults AND if an object is currently selected, its attributes ARE ALSO CHANGED to the default settings.

[thomaso]

16 hours ago, garrettm30 said:

I think my "snapshot" analogy is not correct.

Yes, "Synchronize" does not save a snapshot which could get recalled at a later time. Instead it only has a use if you combine it directly with "Save" to redefine the saved app defaults. – Otherwise this button has no function and its memory gets overridden by any further object/style change.

16 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

No, there are two functions. (...)

If an object is selected, the function affects that object only. If not, it affects all the synchronized defaults. 

No. Both buttons have each 1 function only. The Revert button always reverts to the Saved default only. It never does anything different, so it does not revert to anything else than its saved state, even if the "Synchronize" button got used at any time before pressing "Revert". Whether an object is selected or not does not influence its function of reverting to the saved default only.

Also the "Synchronize" button does nothing than prepare a "Save" action. It does not save any style to recall it at a later moment (in a way of snapshot). So there aren't any "all the synchronized defaults".

5 hours ago, carl123 said:

That line is a bit ambiguous but I am reading it like this.

Revert defaults—synchronized defaults are reverted to saved defaults AND if an object is currently selected, its attributes ARE ALSO CHANGED to the default settings.

To mention this "if...selected" sounds redundant like in "The color panel defines a color which will be used for future objects "AND if an object is currently selected, its attributes ARE ALSO CHANGED to the"  color settings.

Words about the behavior of the "Synchronize" function sound ambiguous and confusing, since a 'hidden' + permanently synchronization takes place with an object change: automatically, stored in a background memory and NOT avoidable – whereas the "Synchronize" button can only be used to prepare/feed an additional + immediate use of the "Save" menu command.

So, for the users workflow actually the "Synchronize" button would not be required: Instead of choosing two commands "Sync" + "Save" the software simply could use the style of a currently selected object when "Save" will be chosen. (which, btw, is already in the UI as additional menu command "Synchronize from Selection").

Therefore I'd like to have an additional checkbox as mentioned/illustrated yesterday: It would give the "Synchronize" button the missing function and allow to activate/deactivate the permanently background synchronization which currently can't be influenced by the user. That currently limited behavior of the "Synchronize" button (= for a 2-step save-as-default action only) makes its presence so confusing: it makes a user think that pressing "Synchronize" would influence the sync + revert functions by recalling any other default than the already "Saved" default.