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While the ability to edit PDFs is nice, I would also like the ability to embed a PDF without it being "translated"/"interpreted". To have "PDF pass-through". If Publisher could access the fonts embedded in the PDF, that would be AWESOME; I don't always have the fonts installed that are used in PDFs, and the entire purpose of the format is to be able to share a layout without having to install fonts to see it displayed correctly.

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9 minutes ago, stutes said:

While the ability to edit PDFs is nice, and would also like the ability to embed a PDF without it being "translated"/"interpreted". To have "PDF pass-through".

You can’t have PDF passthrough without interpreting the embedded fonts in order to work out what they should look like.

9 minutes ago, stutes said:

the entire purpose of the format is to be able to share a layout without having to install fonts to see it displayed correctly

As I understand it, PDF is fundamentally an output format, not originally conceived as a means of sharing content for editing.


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@Alfred, got it.

I just need Publisher to show and print PDFs as they do in Preview, Acrobat, etc. If there is some other, more correct way of referring to this, please let me know.

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As I understand it, PDF is fundamentally an output format, not originally conceived as a means of sharing content for editing. 

Perhaps. We may just be using different terms to express the same idea; an output format that shares the layout without having to install fonts. I never said anything about the format originally being conceived for editing; in fact, I don't think that is the intent of the format at all; it is quite the opposite, as I believe the format is intended to lock down the layout so that when you send it to print houses or clients, they see it as it is meant to look, without having to worry if they have the fonts installed on their computer. Which belies part of my frustration with Publisher....

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Responding to Alred's second comment, which I originally missed

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As much as i love AP, i can't work with it if i'm not able to place client provided ads in there.
Also what i noticed, you can't set a stroke around linked documents...

So, yeah keep looking forward to those pdf features!

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2 hours ago, StainX said:

As much as i love AP, i can't work with it if i'm not able to place client provided ads in there.

My workaround is to open the PDF and export it out again but setting the option to not embed fonts. In other words, I convert the fonts to curves.

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5 minutes ago, Catshill said:

My workaround is to open the PDF and export it out again but setting the option to not embed fonts. In other words, I convert the fonts to curves.

If you don’t have the fonts installed, other fonts will be substituted when you open the document in an Affinity app, so any conversion to curves will be based on the substitute fonts. Until the Affinity apps are able to interpret embedded fonts, there’s no way to do this properly without a third-party application.


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17 minutes ago, Catshill said:

My workaround is to open the PDF and export it out again but setting the option to not embed fonts. In other words, I convert the fonts to curves.

As @Alfred said "no-embed" is different from "convert-to-curves". No-embed means document fonts are always substituted – that was common in olden days when it was thought it is OK to use common PDF set of fonts and the next reader would anyway have the same set of Acrobat fonts.

Convert to curves is OK and resolves these problems. It is just extra step and unnecessarily complicated one. 

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51 minutes ago, Fixx said:

in olden days when it was thought it is OK to use common PDF set of fonts

It’s still OK, but that set comprises only fourteen fonts from five font families (Courier, Helvetica, Times, Symbol, and Zapf Dingbats) so it’s rather limiting.


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18 hours ago, Alfred said:

If you don’t have the fonts installed, other fonts will be substituted when you open the document in an Affinity app, so any conversion to curves will be based on the substitute fonts. Until the Affinity apps are able to interpret embedded fonts, there’s no way to do this properly without a third-party application.

To clarify I open the PDF in an app (non Serif) that does display embedded fonts and create (print) from there.

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