How to scale text in text boxes?

[safoster71]

I have several objects grouped with some paragraph text in text boxes.  When i scale everything, the text stays the same size and wraps in the box.   How do i scale everything without having to vectorize the paragraph text?

[TonyB]

You should see another resize handle on the bottom right on the selection rectangle. It is offset from the other handles.

 

This should do exactly what you want.

[anon1]

Great!

[safoster71]

bingo!

[sbe]

What if I want to scale the Grouped Objects and Textboxes in the Transform-Panel by a defined size, e.g. 100mm? 

Is it possible to use the Transform panel in the same way as if you would scale with the outer handle, that the text is also scaled 1:1?

[Old Bruce]

9 minutes ago, sbe said:

What if I want to scale the Grouped Objects and Textboxes in the Transform-Panel by a defined size, e.g. 100mm? 

You could try converting the text to curves. First make a copy of the text as text layer and hide it, because someone will notice a misspelling or two once you have converted the text to curves.

[sbe]

Yes, as you already guessed, there might still be text changes. That's why a non-destructive scaling without having to convert texts to paths would be better.

[MEB]

Hi @sbe,
Currently that's not possible since it will reflow the text in the text frames. In those cases place a guide to be used as reference point/limit for where the group should scale to (or use an rectangle to decide the area you would like the group fill in), then use the detached handle of the selected group to increase the size up to the guide (or up to the boundaries of the rectangle). Make sure snap to guides (or snap to object bounding boxes in the case of the rectangle) is enabled in the Snapping Manager.

[sbe]

Ok, I already thought that this does not work so easily. In Indesign there is another field in the transform panel with percentages, if you type in the size here, then it also scales the text. I don't know if everyone knows this, but it is very helpful. This function is missing in Publisher. 

 

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[R C-R]

2 hours ago, Lagarto said:

You can use this rather awkward workaround, and then afterwards delete the scaling page (spread) created for the purpose:

I think MEB's workaround is probably quicker & simpler. It even seems to work with an unfilled rectangle with no stroke applied, so it is totally invisible even if it is not deleted.

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[R C-R]

13 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

The method I showed is the same that would be used when placing e.g. linked graphics.

I'm confused. What does that have to do with what @sbe asked about?

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[R C-R]

1 hour ago, Lagarto said:

I mean that if you place a PDF on a document and it has two ellipses with a 3pt stroke...

To be a bit clearer about my confusion, @sbe was asking about scaling text grouped with other objects. 

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[R C-R]

2 minutes ago, Lagarto said:

@sbe also mentioned grouped objects, which can naturally include strokes and mixed scaling attributes. So there is point in mentioning this, as this differs from any manually operated scaling done on the canvas.

But for the specific case @sbe mentioned (text grouped with other objects), isn't MEB's workaround the simplest & easiest to implement? It requires far fewer steps & no copying of anything.

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[sbe]

@Lagarto is right, it's not just about text Scaling, it's about Stroke-Width, FX and everything else, like scaling a placed Image/PDF. It's very dangerous scaling Objects and the appearance is changing. Especially if you don't recognize it at first sight, e.g. when you want to scale it only 10% in size

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[sbe]

So you have to place the afpub in a new afpub and scale it 🙈😅

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[Fixx]

Seems there is not yet a way to scale all numerically?