Franzus Posted September 5, 2019 Share Posted September 5, 2019 (edited) Hey there, I have trouble using the batch conversion. Steps to reproduce: 1. Open Affinity Photo, File > New Batch Job (not sure if thats the term used in English, its the 8th item) 2. Select some RAWs, I tested it with Canons CR2, select "Save as jpeg" 3. Start the job The following picture is a comparison in Windows Photos App, but I tried many different viewers. I didn't do editing to eliminate any other factors. On the left: JPEG "manually" exported from Affinity Photo (Opening the RAW file, developing, exporting) "Highest quality"-preset On the right: JPEG from batch conversion, similiar settings to "Highest quality"-preset: Quality: 100 What I tried: - Embed the ICC-profile or don't, result doesnt change - Different profiles don't change the result - Convert to sRGB as macro, result doesn't change There was an error uploading the files, so I had to make a screenshot, but I'll try again! Of course, I can also provide you with the RAW-file, but I think you should be able to reproduce the problem. Cheers, Franz PS: I also found this thread: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/4252273 , where a user has the same problem, but sadly no solution... Edited September 5, 2019 by Franzus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drphoto Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 I run a lot of batch conversions, but typically from afphoto files, and I havent noticed that. My workflow typically goes: Canon DPP to convert RAW to TIFF (16 bit), then batch convert in AP to afphoto, edit, then convert to JPEG. If you have Canon DPP available, Id convert a RAW file there, then see if the batch processor changes exposure. If it doesnt, then bug confirmed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franzus Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Hi, the behaviour of DPP 4 is as expected. The exported pictures are the same color / brightness: (Exported by Canon Digital Photo Professional 4, maximum quality) It doesn't seem to be limited to the JPEG-export, when I export as TIFF, the picture is also darker. It seems like one processing step that Affinity uses, when loading a RAW-image "by hand", is not applied when using batch processing. Now the upload is working, so here is the RAW-file: IMG_2651.CR2 I would like to hear from someone if he gets the same result. I tested it on three different devices, so it should be easy to reproduce. Edited September 8, 2019 by Franzus Downsized image Amateur John 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walt.farrell Posted September 8, 2019 Share Posted September 8, 2019 Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums, Franzus. Batch processing uses a simpler raw development process than the Develop Persona uses. Typically the result is darker images, but there will be other differences, too, as none of the Develop Assistant processing is done. You can compensate for that, to some extent: Open a raw image from your camera with Affinity Photo, and develop it in the Develop Persona. Process the same image through a batch job in Photo. Open the image from step 2, and compare to the image from step 1. Determine a set of adjustments to make to the step 2 image to make it satisfactory to you, and record those adjustments as a macro. Then, when you run your raw images through a batch job, apply that macro. Your results should be more satisfactory, though perhaps not completely right. Amateur John 1 Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro, version 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 17.4.1, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sonoma 14.4.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franzus Posted September 8, 2019 Author Share Posted September 8, 2019 (edited) Okay, thank you for your explanation. Even though I would think, that recording a macro is a workaround, but not the way batch processing should be handled! I've been using Darktable, Lightroom, Photoshop and Canon DPP and they all convert my RAWs without any excessive changes. Only Affinity looses around half the brightness! I hope it is consistent atleast, then one macro should do the job. Otherwise I'll have to stick to using Darktable or Canon DPP. Thanks again, I'll try using a macro. Edited September 8, 2019 by Franzus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Chris B Posted September 10, 2019 Staff Share Posted September 10, 2019 Hey Franzus, It looks like the batch process isn't applying the same adjustments to the image that the Develop Persona would normally do. I would say that right now, this is by design but I am waiting to hear if there is a possible improvement we could make here. Once I hear back from the developers, I will let you know. Franzus 1 Quote How to format a bug report | Learning Resources | List of V2 FAQs | YouTube Tutorials Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur John Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 I also find this more of a bug than a feature. The macro workaround is fairly satisfactory but not ideal. Please, what do the developers say. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amateur John Posted January 11, 2020 Share Posted January 11, 2020 On 9/8/2019 at 1:31 PM, walt.farrell said: Welcome to the Serif Affinity forums, Franzus. Batch processing uses a simpler raw development process than the Develop Persona uses. Typically the result is darker images, but there will be other differences, too, as none of the Develop Assistant processing is done. You can compensate for that, to some extent: Open a raw image from your camera with Affinity Photo, and develop it in the Develop Persona. Process the same image through a batch job in Photo. Open the image from step 2, and compare to the image from step 1. Determine a set of adjustments to make to the step 2 image to make it satisfactory to you, and record those adjustments as a macro. Then, when you run your raw images through a batch job, apply that macro. Your results should be more satisfactory, though perhaps not completely right. A simple curve seems to do a reasonable job, but I suspect that the Develop Persona also makes more complicated changes which depend on the histogram of the original file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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