Type rendering causing problems

[jacobhalton]

I'm trying to use the font Chartwell, which uses ligatures to create graphs, and the way Affinity (Designer+Publisher) are handling it is causing it not to work if I try to colorize them. The font is meant to be used this way to make creating charts much easier.

(This works as it's meant to in InDesign)

The all black version is how it should look, but when I try to add color to any of the numbers it breaks:

Edited July 31, 2019 by jacobhalton

[kelm]

Same here - it is really unfortunate that Affinity's implementation of discretionary ligatures do not work correctly when creating diagrams using the Chartwell font. Coloring and element size seems to be okay but the positions are incorrect - see attached pictures.

This problem exists at least in Affinity Designer and Publisher - so it's most likely an issue in the underlying {shared) implementation.

Is there a better place to report issues with Affinity products than here?

Peter

Edited May 12, 2020 by info@kelmmoyles.com
explanation of the pics as their captions weren't visible

[ashf]

Any updates？

[walt.farrell]

35 minutes ago, ashf said:

Any updates？

It's got a bug tag, so it's at least been logged. But Serif doesn't comment on when bugs might be fixed.

[ashf]

49 minutes ago, walt.farrell said:

It's got a bug tag, so it's at least been logged. But Serif doesn't comment on when bugs might be fixed.

I assume so. Serif won't tell even if it's fixed I think.
So I just asked people here see if it's fixed.
I haven't bought the Chartwell font yet, I'd like to confirm see if it's fixed.

[kenmcd]

2 hours ago, ashf said:

I haven't bought the Chartwell font yet, I'd like to confirm see if it's fixed.

Appears to be working now.
First line is the text input, and second line is the same text with Discretionary Ligatures applied.
This is ChartwellPies.ttf - only one I checked.

 

[jaycanuck74]

On 5/13/2021 at 11:51 PM, LibreTraining said:

Appears to be working now.
First line is the text input, and second line is the same text with Discretionary Ligatures applied.
This is ChartwellPies.ttf - only one I checked.

 

Hi. How did you get this to work? When I put colours in, the pie breaks apart into separate pieces. If I just use black..no problem.

[jaycanuck74]

Does anyone know if there's a solution to this?

[garrettm30]

48 minutes ago, jaycanuck74 said:

Does anyone know if there's a solution to this?

 

I don't know anything about this myself, but here is a stab in the dark just in case it happens to be helpful - does it matter that your figures total 101%? Would that break it? From what I have read, that should not break it, but maybe something is weird in Publisher.

[ashf]

1 hour ago, jaycanuck74 said:

Does anyone know if there's a solution to this?

Did you try to uncheck Standard Ligatures?

[jaycanuck74]

59 minutes ago, garrettm30 said:

I don't know anything about this myself, but here is a stab in the dark just in case it happens to be helpful - does it matter that your figures total 101%? Would that break it? From what I have read, that should not break it, but maybe something is weird in Publisher.

Thanks for that. I changed one of the values...but still nothing.

 

14 minutes ago, ashf said:

Did you try to uncheck Standard Ligatures?

Yes. unchecking standard doesn't do anything I'm afraid.

I don't know if I'm doing the wrong combo of steps.

[kenmcd]

2 hours ago, jaycanuck74 said:

Hi. How did you get this to work? When I put colours in, the pie breaks apart into separate pieces. If I just use black..no problem.

Please attach your document and I will take a look at it.
Also which version of which Affinity app are you using, and on which operating system?

I tested in APub 1.9.2.1035 on Windows 10 (IIRC).

Also which version of the Chartwell fonts are you using?

[jaycanuck74]

17 minutes ago, LibreTraining said:

Please attach your document and I will take a look at it.
Also which version of which Affinity app are you using, and on which operating system?

I tested in APub 1.9.2.1035 on Windows 10 (IIRC).

Also which version of the Chartwell fonts are you using?

I'm using A Publisher 9.3 on Mac OS High Sierra

I'm starting to wonder if there is a newer version of the font?

Chartwell.zip

[kenmcd]

6 minutes ago, jaycanuck74 said:

I'm starting to wonder if there is a newer version of the font?

You have a newer version than the one I have.
Mine: Version 7.504; 2012; Build 1024
Yours: Version 7.504; 2015; Build 1033

I opened your test document and this is what I see:

Soooo ... I am going to try it again with your font (by un-installing mine, and installing yours).
If that also works for me then there is something else going on.
Be back in a few minutes ...

 

[jaycanuck74]

21 minutes ago, LibreTraining said:

You have a newer version than the one I have.
Mine: Version 7.504; 2012; Build 1024
Yours: Version 7.504; 2015; Build 1033

I opened your test document and this is what I see:

Soooo ... I am going to try it again with your font (by un-installing mine, and installing yours).
If that also works for me then there is something else going on.
Be back in a few minutes ...

 

Thanks for your help.

Odd that a newer version would mess up.

I looked around the net and found a Build 1026 at MyFont. Would suck, because I bought the whole pack at FontShop. Still..if it means I could use it with Affinity. Would be worth a second buy.

 

Edited July 27, 2021 by jaycanuck74
Update

[kenmcd]

The plot thickens ...

This is your test doc with your font:

Not good.

Did a quick check of the OpenType Discretionary Ligatures (in a font editor) and both fonts appear to operate the same.
Both fonts appear to work as expected.
But I will look at the actual feature code to see if it has changed.

I did notice that they changed the way the fonts are internally named.
Hmmm, I cannot think of how that could affect this, but I would like to see the whole family together if possible.

If there is a change in how the feature code works that changed code may be confusing APub.
That would mean APub would need an update/fix for this to work.

I will take a look at the code to see if it has changed ...

[kenmcd]

Update after doing some additional testing ...

FYI for those wanting to use the Chartwell fonts - currently most of them do not work in APub.
It appears that it is a bit of a fluke that the Build 1024 version of Chartwell Pies actually works.
The newer Chartwell Pies Build 1033 version does not work.
It has more complex feature code which does not work in APub at all.

Most of the Chartwell fonts do not work at all.
It appears that with my version, Build 1024, that only the Chartwell Pies, Bars, and Bars Vertical seem to work.
Not working: Radar, Rings, Rise, and the newer Areas (from 1033).

So basically trying to use the Chartwell fonts is, for the most part, futile at this point.