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Here having been encouraged to start my own new topic to an old, already asked question, after having googled and followed the top link to a thread which I then mistakenly resurrected by way of a reply, not noticing that it was in fact archived.  So to my query...
 
...joining others in being interested to know please, if someone who knows could tell us at what stage of development (if at all) is the function of being able to type vertically in Affinity Designer?  In any of the applications, in fact.  I own all three.  For my work, it's a fairly large thing to miss not being able to do and from what I can see, this has been a floating topic for several years now so, figured it could do no harm to ask again.  

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Yes, that works, @mvlad, as long as:

  1. You only need a single word. If you need a phrase, it doesn't work in my experience as the spaces extend outside the frame, leaving the words within the frame joined together. And
  2. You are not trying to write several vertical lines of text. Actually, this can work, but each line will need its own text frame, which becomes somewhat cumbersome to design.

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19 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

Yes, that works, @mvlad, as long as:

  1. You only need a single word. If you need a phrase, it doesn't work in my experience as the spaces extend outside the frame, leaving the words within the frame joined together. And
  2. You are not trying to write several vertical lines of text. Actually, this can work, but each line will need its own text frame, which becomes somewhat cumbersome to design.

1. can use a linebreak/enter (forgot the word for it) as space.
2. True, but at least you can have a consistent line spacing by having them all in a group and modifying the constraints for all of them so they don't scale horizontally.


Mădălin Vlad
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28 minutes ago, mvlad said:

1. can use a linebreak/enter (forgot the word for it) as space.

Thanks. I hadn't discovered that.

I think I understand your point 2, but would have to play with it. But as I don't need vertical text right now I'll save that for another day :)


-- Walt

Windows 10 Home, version 1909 (183623.476),
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   Laptop:  8GB memory, Intel Core i7-3625QM @ 2.30GHz, Intel HD Graphics 4000 or NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M
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Thank you for trying to help, mvlad and for making that video, it was a kind effort.  As I had already previously told walt here though in another thread on the same topic, I am aware of that workaround.  I also have another, thinking that if there were a thread called 'Top tips and workarounds for features we miss' that would be a really excellent place for such things.  Even better though would be an answer to the question of my original post, still outstanding which is:

 

On 7/28/2019 at 9:19 PM, capturleat said:

interested to know please, if someone who knows could tell us at what stage of development (if at all) is the function of being able to type vertically in Affinity Designer?

 

The particular question I am asking, is why I had posed the question in an earlier thread to staff members specifically, though I changed the wording of that in this new thread to 'someone who knows', for the same and no reason other than because I believed it most likely that someone who works in development of this largely fantastic software, could provide a clear and definitive answer. 

 

So, is there anyone who is willing/able to tell us please? 

There are many of us who would appreciate knowing.

 

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Serif generally does not comment on the timing of features or the state of their development.


-- Walt

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   Laptop:  8GB memory, Intel Core i7-3625QM @ 2.30GHz, Intel HD Graphics 4000 or NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M
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Thank you walt, no I know it's not common for them to do so, however it has been known for them to provide an occasional indicator of something being worked upon, or even expected in the next update, that sort of thing so as I said, figured it could do no harm to ask again...

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Well, their stating that the schedule of implementation is unknown, did at the time of that statement imply an intention at the very least then...good to know, thanks ashf.   Whether that intention still remains, I suppose only they can tell us, if they would. 

Have to say I'm pretty stunned to learn that something so fundamental can go by the wayside for so long.  I'd have thought the whole of East Asia to be a populace Serif ought to consider far more important than it seems they care to show.    

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FYI, someone achieved vertical text by creating a custom font that's rotated 90 degrees then use it on a text frame that's rotated 90 degrees.
He said he used High-Logic FontCreator.
You don't need to create your new font from scratch, you can modify existing font such as Google Fonts.

 

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1 hour ago, capturleat said:

Have to say I'm pretty stunned to learn that something so fundamental can go by the wayside for so long.  I'd have thought the whole of East Asia to be a populace Serif ought to consider far more important than it seems they care to show.    

Yes, on Twitter many Japanese Affinity users are complaining about vertical text(縦書き)
That's large parentage of entire Affinity related tweets. They just don't post here because they don't speak English.
https://twitter.com/search?q=affinity 縦書き&src=typed_query&f=live
 

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21 hours ago, ashf said:

Yes, on Twitter many Japanese Affinity users are complaining about vertical text(縦書き)
They just don't post here because they don't speak English.

I bet they are indeed complaining.  Chinese users too.  I've read multiple threads now from you and others here also, as you said there are so many on this topic.   Many thanks also for the link/info on the custom font creation, that's inspiring.

How sad though, that this set of softwares is still only good for hobbyists for such a massive number of people, despite selling itself as fully professional.   Within the industry itself, not sure how much this might speak of the artistic world as a whole but one whose clients include Sony, Dreamworks, Marvel and many others who I've been writting with upon occasion over the last couple of years, had not even heard of Affinity until I told him of it recently.

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21 hours ago, liumingming said:

Chinese designers also need vertical text. There are 1.5 billion people in East Asia.

Serif, please respond to this...

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22 minutes ago, capturleat said:

Serif, please respond to this...

Serif staff have responded previously. They recognize that it's a big missing feature, but it is also a big job to provide the support.

They generally do not comment on the timing of when new features will become available.


-- Walt

Windows 10 Home, version 1909 (183623.476),
   Desktop: 16GB memory, Intel Core i7-6700K @ 4.00GHz, GeForce GTX 970
   Laptop:  8GB memory, Intel Core i7-3625QM @ 2.30GHz, Intel HD Graphics 4000 or NVIDIA GeForce GT 630M
Affinity Photo 1.7.3.481 and 1.8.0.532 Beta   / Affinity Designer 1.7.3.481 and 1.8.0.532 Beta  / Affinity Publisher 1.7.3.481 and 1.8.0.535 Beta

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@ashf yes you are right I had not seen that thread and has been a good read.  The point you made when discussing the topic with Shi Lichuan about bringing an Asian Developer on board at Serif, I'd say is the best suggestion of all.  It would not only help but even perhaps is simply just necessary, if the task remains so gargantuan after five years then maybe it's time for them to concede.  Of course implementing this would no more be cheap than the undertaking be small (!) but ultimately, the rewards both for Serif and for East Asia along with all of us others needing vertical text, would be absolutely huge.  

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There have been Chinese/Japanese input bugs since last year and they have been leaving it alone.
Because Serif don't know how to type Chinese/Japanese.
They fixed it partially in current beta finally but not completely yet.

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Also it's not only Asian who suffer from the limitation of typography feature.
Middle Eastern as well.
Serif says support of vertical/rtl text is complex and time consuming so they have no plan to do right now(at least not in 2-3 years)
 

 

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So the problem extends to RTL script/type lacking in function also, that's massive...which while I am definitely glad to be informed, it is a sad thing to learn.   I must thank you though, for all the much valued information you have provided on this and other threads covering the topic.  

An exciting outcome from the approaching visit to Serif by one of your group, would be an Affinity Spotlight blog post announcing a new addition to the team, going fully international and in turn, truly earning that professional status.  I will hold that thought... 

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