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I am used to instantly identify the main layout documents in each project by its icon. That's why I do not save Publisher or Designer files with thumbnail preview. I only do that with images/photos.

But as Affinity still does not get the icons right (their doc icons are identical to the app icon, which is against GUI standards) I have created correct icons for Publisher and Designer myself. Attached, you find the icon files for Mac and infos for installation. I don't know if this works the same on Win.

It works so far that a correct doc icon shows inside folder lists on Mac. But unfortunately still not on the desktop or in symbol view – I have no clue why this is, maybe someone from Affinity can shad a light on this?

Thomas

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@Thomahawk, you may already know this but in all recent versions of the Mac OS (maybe even as far back as Tiger?), in Finder you can set View Options (via CMD+J) on a per window & on a per view (icon, list, etc.) basis. One of those options is "Show Icon Preview." This includes the desktop folder, but of course on the Desktop screen it only has the Icon view. If that item is ticked and the app generates document previews, a preview of the file's appearance will be shown. If not, whatever the app specifies for its document files (if anything) will be shown instead.

For Designer, that is the DesignerDocIcon.icns file, specified in Designer's info.plist file. Its icons are very similar to those in the DesignerAppIcon.icns file (the app icon), but they are not identical. For example, for the 512x512 ic14 icon format, below is the app icon on the left & the doc icon on the right.

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As you can see, the app icon has an etched, 3D appearance while the doc icon is flat.

So I suppose if you don't like Serif's choice for document icons there is nothing wrong with substituting more 'old school' styled ones with dog-ears, but there is also nothing technically wrong with what Serif has chosen.


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This are general design rules necessary for a good GUI, ddeveloped over the past 30 years, to be logical and intuitively accessible. It has nothing to do with personal taste. To toss that aside by making document icons that look like application icons is indeed technically wrong, because it makes things unnecessary disorienting and incomprehensible.

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On 7/8/2019 at 11:22 PM, Thomahawk said:

I have created correct icons for Publisher and Designer myself.

Designer Icon is flat, Publisher icon is 3D - it is correct?

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This would work mostly for macOS only since it is a little tricky to convert ICNS to ICO.

I've been into this topic myself (just recently acquired AFDesigner) and agree with this but I wanted the icons to be a little bit more stylish and would like to cover the possibility of associating the apps with additional file types, if the user does not have another app for handling them (like SVG, IDML, AI or PSD). Also, it seems you didn't cover AFPhoto in your set.

Well, here is my version:

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Instead of uploading ICNS or ICO files, I'd rather share my AFDESIGN file, fully editable and copyleft so anyone can work and enhance them and Serif may consider them as part of their copyrighted intelectual property and to use them (or any variation) if they please.

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On 7/13/2019 at 6:27 PM, Pšenda said:

Designer Icon is flat, Publisher icon is 3D - it is correct?

It does not follow the usual guidelines, but they are just guidelines. Developers can choose to follow them or not, as they see fit, as can users with enough savvy to make modifications on their own.

Personally, I like Serif's choices because I usually use list view & the old style dog-eared page icons with smaller app icons in them make it nearly impossible to tell what the app icon is in that view, but that is just me.


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2 hours ago, Leonardo Pessoa said:

Instead of uploading ICNS or ICO files, I'd rather share my AFDESIGN file, fully editable and copyleft so anyone can work and enhance them and Serif is free to use if they please.

Since you mentioned 'copyleft,' it is perhaps worth mentioning that Serif may consider the Affinity logo designs a part of their copyrighted intellectual property, which would preclude redistributing them without permission.


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2 hours ago, R C-R said:

Since you mentioned 'copyleft,' it is perhaps worth mentioning that Serif may consider the Affinity logo designs a part of their copyrighted intellectual property, which would preclude redistributing them without permission.

I'm not exactly sure how to phrase that out there but I thought it was implicit when I said they could use it if they please as they please. I little bit of credit for the idea would sure be nice but not any kind of condition. I'll edit my post and try; if not fine, drop me a hint on that.

 

3 hours ago, R C-R said:

Personally, I like Serif's choices because I usually use list view & the old style dog-eared page icons with smaller app icons in them make it nearly impossible to tell what the app icon is in that view, but that is just me.

I though of that too but would need to go about testing with real icon files to see how small it would be hard to distinguish the apps. Sure when the icon is all full of colour it is easy but smaller sizes such as 16x16 (and maybe 32x32 nowadays) could simply use the base logo of the app instead of any file icon.


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Very good, Lmpessoa. Thanks for posting this.

I like yours even more than mine. You do really understand what GUI standards mean and how usability and intuitivity work. I dont understand affinity here on this. Not following established standards makes no sense. We have a GUI to use it, not to make it a mess.

Right, I did not include the AF photo, because thats the one exception where I prefer the thumbnail. However, I still did not get to work it in OS X Mojave for desktop or symbol view, the right icons only show up in list view.

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