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I have been experimenting with drop caps in my poetry layouts and like the possibilities it offers. However, is it possible to have a Drop Cap out-dented from a paragraph or text body style so that it appears as though it is in a margin only?

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It is possible to set up a pair of Paragraph Styles with a large Left Indent and then overriding the first line indent for each letter in the Drop Cap Paragraph Style so it sticks out farther to the left.  Or, you can try using Inline Pinning and separate frames if it is just a few.

Here are two frames, top is an image of the letter the lower is the actual letter alone in a text frame pinned the same way. Floating not inline.

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21 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

It is possible to set up a pair of Paragraph Styles with a large Left Indent and then overriding the first line indent for each letter in the Drop Cap Paragraph Style so it sticks out farther to the left.  Or, you can try using Inline Pinning and separate frames if it is just a few.

Here are two frames, top is an image of the letter the lower is the actual letter alone in a text frame pinned the same way. Floating not inline.

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Thanks the pinning option may be the best workaround for now.

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23 hours ago, Old Bruce said:

Inline Pinning and separate frames

Hallo Bruce, I have never ever heard of this.  I assume its a fancy expression for maybe just a seperate text box?  Or is that the top letter in your example.  I can make a custom drop cap, but am curious as what you meant.


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1 hour ago, Chris26 said:

Hallo Bruce, I have never ever heard of this.  I assume its a fancy expression for maybe just a seperate text box?  Or is that the top letter in your example.  I can make a custom drop cap, but am curious as what you meant.

I suggested just abandoning the Drop Cap option in the Paragraph Style and using either a graphic or a small text frame to contain the letter. Very finicky and I wouldn't use it more than a few times in a small publication.

Essentially you are cutting out a letter from the headline of a newspaper and pasting it onto your typewritten letter. Inline Graphics are only in Publisher. This is what you see when you use View > Studio > Pinning.

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This seemed like it "should" be possible, so I tried. Here is a solution. It's a 2-step process for each paragraph that contains an "out-dented" Drop Cap.

First, select the first word in the paragraph. Enable Drop Caps in the Paragraph panel, and set other parameters as you might like.

Second, with that word selected, go to Optical Alignment in the Characters Panel. Select "Manual" as the method for optical alignment, and make sure that the first letter of the word (the dropped cap) has an optical alignment of 100% on the Left margin. You might have to click the "Add" button if your drop cap character isn't listed. This will place the entire letter outside the left margin.

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5 minutes ago, smadell said:

This seemed like it "should" be possible, so I tried. Here is a solution. It's a 2-step process for each paragraph that contains an "out-dented" Drop Cap.

The above can be made into a paragraph style. Any/all letters can be added to the optical margin field. If changing the font for the DC, make a character style.

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9 hours ago, smadell said:

This seemed like it "should" be possible, so I tried. Here is a solution. It's a 2-step process for each paragraph that contains an "out-dented" Drop Cap.

First, select the first word in the paragraph. Enable Drop Caps in the Paragraph panel, and set other parameters as you might like.

Second, with that word selected, go to Optical Alignment in the Characters Panel. Select "Manual" as the method for optical alignment, and make sure that the first letter of the word (the dropped cap) has an optical alignment of 100% on the Left margin. You might have to click the "Add" button if your drop cap character isn't listed. This will place the entire letter outside the left margin.

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Yes that works very well. Thank you,

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Or a simple Text Wrap. I typed the E with the Artistic Text Tool added the wrap moved into place and adjusted the size.

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Just now, Michael S Harvey said:

A nice effect.

Same effect can be had by using a 50% value in the Optical margin setting, using a character style for the DC and using the Initial words option for the first sentence set to Strong/Bold.

And, of course, this too can be all contained in a paragraph style.

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15 hours ago, MikeW said:

Same effect can be had by using a 50% value in the Optical margin setting, using a character style for the DC and using the Initial words option for the first sentence set to Strong/Bold

So you can push a line out of text frame using Optical margin? Interesting – though it seems applying it is not too simple..

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Sometimes when modifying styles one needs to use Apply style, clear overrides. Other than that, it is easy.


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