PaoloT Posted July 2, 2019 Posted July 2, 2019 Hi, There are some conventions on the Mac for moving the text cursor. Alt-LeftArrow moves to the beginning of the (current, then previous) word, Alt-RightArrow to the end of the (current, then next) word. Alt-UpArrow moves to the beginning of the (current, then previous) paragraph, Alt-DownArrow moves to the end of the (current, then previous) paragraph. Command-LeftArrow moves to the beginning of the line, Command-LeftArrow moves to the end of the line. This isn't so in Publisher, and as far as I can see it can't be reassigned in the Preferences. May you add this set of assignable commands? It would remove some confusions on the Mac, when jumping between different applications. Best, Paolo A_B_C and Hainz 1 1 Quote
Fixx Posted July 3, 2019 Posted July 3, 2019 Jumping between words is the same as in InDesign; CMD-Arrow. Quote
PaoloT Posted July 3, 2019 Author Posted July 3, 2019 In InDesign you are free to reassign the navigation key commands as you like. So, how it works is totally up to the user. Paolo A_B_C 1 Quote
fde101 Posted July 5, 2019 Posted July 5, 2019 On 7/3/2019 at 4:25 AM, Fixx said: Jumping between words is the same as in InDesign; CMD-Arrow. So it seems that Serif has opted to do it the same wrong way that InDesign does it... As per the HIG, the command left/right arrow combos are reserved for changing keyboard layouts: https://developer.apple.com/design/human-interface-guidelines/macos/user-interaction/keyboard/ PaoloT 1 Quote
PaoloT Posted July 28, 2019 Author Posted July 28, 2019 The same seems to happen with moving between paragraphs. In Mac apps, you usually type Opt-Up to go to the beginning of the paragraph, Opt-Down to go to the end. This doesn't seem to work. But it seems that neither Cmd-Up and Cmd-Down work as a replacement. Paolo Quote
A_B_C Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 I am so happy that someone else is picking up that request too. I will never stop advocating for freely assignable keyboard shortcuts for navigating a text without the mouse. Until this option is implemented, that is. https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/92646-text-navigation-shortcuts-cursor-movement-make-them-customisable/ https://forum.affinity.serif.com/index.php?/topic/18412-consistency-for-shortcuts-in-caret-cursor-navigation/ Quote
walt.farrell Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 21 hours ago, PaoloT said: The same seems to happen with moving between paragraphs. In Mac apps, you usually type Opt-Up to go to the beginning of the paragraph, Opt-Down to go to the end. This doesn't seem to work. But it seems that neither Cmd-Up and Cmd-Down work as a replacement. Ctrl + Down Arrow moves to the beginning of the next paragraph with Publisher on Windows, and Ctrl + Up Arrow moves to the start of the current or prior paragraph, depending on current position. I'm surprised that Cmd and the up/down arrows wouldn't work similarly on Mac. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
PaoloT Posted July 29, 2019 Author Posted July 29, 2019 43 minutes ago, walt.farrell said: Ctrl + Down Arrow moves to the beginning of the next paragraph with Publisher on Windows, and Ctrl + Up Arrow moves to the start of the current or prior paragraph, depending on current position. I'm surprised that Cmd and the up/down arrows wouldn't work similarly on Mac. It works. For some reason, in the previous session it didn't work. By relaunching Publisher, it worked. It is following the same navigation rules as on a PC (Cmd-Up/Down for beginning of the current/next paragraph, Cmd-Left/Right for the beginning of the current/next word, Home/End for the beginning/end of the line. Oh, how would I love if it worked on a Mac as on a Mac! Paolo Quote
walt.farrell Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 2 minutes ago, PaoloT said: Oh, how would I love if it worked on a Mac as on a Mac! I can see that you might like that But having it work differently between Mac and PC would complicate the coding, and the documentation, and make discussions between Mac and PC users even more confusing, I think. Also, some of the Mac shortcuts mentioned earlier in this thread (Alt + Up/Down Arrow, for example) are used for different functions in Publisher (increasing or decreasing leading), and having to avoid both the standard PC shortcuts and the standard Mac shortcuts when designing the other shortcuts would get tricky. So even if Serif allowed the users to configure these navigation shortcuts, it is likely that there would be some conflicts that users would have to work around, as their desired shortcuts might be in use for something else. I don't think it's a simple problem to solve. Quote -- Walt Designer, Photo, and Publisher V1 and V2 at latest retail and beta releases PC: Desktop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 64GB memory, AMD Ryzen 9 5900 12-Core @ 3.00 GHz, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3090 Laptop: Windows 11 Pro 23H2, 32GB memory, Intel Core i7-10750H @ 2.60GHz, Intel UHD Graphics Comet Lake GT2 and NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3070 Laptop GPU. Laptop 2: Windows 11 Pro 24H2, 16GB memory, Snapdragon(R) X Elite - X1E80100 - Qualcomm(R) Oryon(TM) 12 Core CPU 4.01 GHz, Qualcomm(R) Adreno(TM) X1-85 GPU iPad: iPad Pro M1, 12.9": iPadOS 18.3, Apple Pencil 2, Magic Keyboard Mac: 2023 M2 MacBook Air 15", 16GB memory, macOS Sequoia 15.0.1
A_B_C Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 Walt, it’s indeed a very simple problem to solve. Just allow assigning custom shortcuts for caret cursor positioning and selecting text. We would just need the option to assign custom shortcuts for the list below. Remember, Indesign has this option. There is really no problem. If there is a shortcut conflict, a warning sign will show up. That’s all. Then you can either rethink your choice for the shortcut or keep going. It’s the same with any other shortcut. PaoloT and CLC 2 Quote
A_B_C Posted July 29, 2019 Posted July 29, 2019 The problem is that when you are working with different apps and switch between them (some workflows require that), you have to constantly change your habits when editing text. But I really don’t want to think about the ways I edit text. This is something that simply has to work in an automated fashion, just like talking works for most human beings. To me, editing text in Affinity Publisher is far from fluent at the moment. Custom shortcuts for navigating and selecting text will have to be implemented, at least at the moment when Publisher receives the long-awaited functionality required for typesetting long documents. Otherwise, I fear book typesetters won’t get on the boat … Brad Brighton and PaoloT 2 Quote
fde101 Posted July 30, 2019 Posted July 30, 2019 22 hours ago, walt.farrell said: I don't think it's a simple problem to solve. It is simple... simply make it possible to customize ALL shortcuts. Then the ones in conflict can be changed too. TomJr, A_B_C and PaoloT 3 Quote
garrettm30 Posted July 31, 2019 Posted July 31, 2019 I don't see the harm in it. As Affinity (all the apps) already has a robust system for managing custom shortcuts, then I say the more operations that are exposed to customization, the greater the program can be flexible to more people. PaoloT and A_B_C 2 Quote
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