Fonts seen incorrect in PDF format

[Robert St-Pierre]

I create a document and exported it in a PDF. Some people reported  see some words come out unreadable. What can I do to corrrect this situation?

My text is in english and french.

Robert

[Rodi]

Link the PDF and fonts so we can open them

[Robert St-Pierre]

Not sure what you want, new to this, sorry..

[Rodi]

Link your pdf

[emmrecs01]

@Robert St-Pierre

@Rodi is asking you to attach your original Affinity file, along with the resulting pdf to your next reply.

Jeff

[Robert St-Pierre]

After checking my PDF file it seem alright. Its when I send it to Mailchimp mailing, certain french word are miss spelled.

 https://gallery.mailchimp.com/1fe0c97a1a2dc5f6ef8756167/files/065e931e-212b-4e58-8cb9-68ac3fa3ef83/Le_Survol_juin_2019_Mod0619juin.01.pdf

 

and the original Affinity file

Edited June 29, 2019 by Robert St-Pierre

[Robert St-Pierre]

Here is the Affinity file

Le Survol- juin 2019 -Mod0619juin.afpub

[emmrecs01]

@Robert St-Pierre

Thank you for the files etc.

I am not a French speaker though I can just about read the language fully, but I'm going to assume examples of your misspelt words are (in a sample form the pdf) as shown below?

 

If so, I see exactly the same in your AFPub file:

This looks rather like a font issue, but you need the help of more experienced users than me to help you resolve the problem.

Jeff

[Alfred]

27 minutes ago, emmrecs01 said:

This looks rather like a font issue

It does rather, doesn’t it! It looks to me as though it’s the same ligatures issue that has been raised in other threads: each occurrence of Ë should be a ti ligature. It should be possible to correct the error by selecting the text and turning off the ‘Standard Ligatures’ feature and/or the ‘Discretionary Ligatures’ feature via the Typography panel.

[AlainP]

Has the text been imported from another program like Word or any other. Or has this text been created on a Mac or Linux computer... it looks like an ascii code problem, all "ti" are displayed as "Ë" . Calibri font works very well in French. This is a font I use often if French without any problem.

If the problem is only with the "ti" a "Search and Replace" will fix it quickly.

[Robert St-Pierre]

Your right Jeff, I did not notice that. But still the accent and certain words our wrong. 

AlainP, Yes I do cut and paste from a Word document that could be it.

I use  Sherif Page plus X9  before and never had that problem.

Interesting I will need to do a few test. 

Thanks guys.

[Robert St-Pierre]

 

Hi all,

I did another test on one of the page and it did not change the fonts this time. It seem to have resolves itself.. 

I will be checking that in my future documents.

Thanks again!

[benwiggy]

20 hours ago, Alfred said:

It does rather, doesn’t it! It looks to me as though it’s the same ligatures issue that has been raised in other threads: each occurrence of Ë should be a ti ligature. It should be possible to correct the error by selecting the text and turning off the ‘Standard Ligatures’ feature and/or the ‘Discretionary Ligatures’ feature via the Typography panel.

The other threads about ligatures are about PDF import, (which is unsupported), not export. 
I'd humbly suggest that turning off all ligatures may not be desirable or viable in all circumstances.

[walt.farrell]

18 minutes ago, benwiggy said:

The other threads about ligatures are about PDF import, (which is unsupported), not export.

I'm not sure what you mean about PDF import being unsupported. It certainly is supported: you can either Open a PDF document or you can Place (import) it.

[Fixx]

5 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure what you mean about PDF import being unsupported. It certainly is supported:

I think benwiggy meant that ligatures in PDF import are unsupported. 

[benwiggy]

On 6/30/2019 at 2:42 PM, walt.farrell said:

I'm not sure what you mean about PDF import being unsupported. It certainly is supported: you can either Open a PDF document or you can Place (import) it.

No it isn't. Read this thread.  Currently, an imported PDF cannot be trusted to display any of the correct glyphs if it uses ligatures or OpenType variants. Some text elements can move, too.  The entire Affinity Suite cannot rasterize a PDF; import for editing; or place on a page correctly.

[walt.farrell]

34 minutes ago, benwiggy said:

No it isn't. Read this thread.  Currently, an imported PDF cannot be trusted to display any of the correct glyphs if it uses ligatures or OpenType variants. Some text elements can move, too.  The entire Affinity Suite cannot rasterize a PDF; import for editing; or place on a page correctly.

Technically, PDF import is supported, but there are aspects of that support that need to be improved. That is, it doesn't work as well as we (or Serif) might like.

But the ability to Open or Place PDF documents is implemented, and advertised. Therefore it is by (at least one) definition supported.

Regarding ligatures and OpenType variants: Other threads have pointed out, regarding ligatures, that if the PDF properly includes the ToUnicode table, the characters will be properly understood, for example for spell-checking. Or they will work in spell-checking if the user chooses to prefer editability over visual fidelity when importing. I suspect that the same would apply to the OpenType variants, but have not made any attempt to test that.

I have quite happily opened PDFs that have worked quite well or with only minor glitches. So I will object to statements that say flatly that it is not supported. It is supported, with caveats or nuances that may or may not matter for any particular PDF or to any particular user for that particular user's purposes.

I will strongly agree the existing support should be improved.

[benwiggy]

1 hour ago, walt.farrell said:

Technically, PDF import is supported, but there are aspects of that support that need to be improved.

Did you read the other thread? A member of staff says the actual words "We don't currently support PDFs with embedded fonts". You can of course object and suggest that they support all aspects of PDF import except for that one, which just needs improvement, if you wish. But it's a pretty pointless distinction.

I've done the simplest of tests with PDFs from a range of creators, including Adobe, and they've come up a complete mess in Affinity. And only in Affinity. The characters may be understood, but the glyphs used in the PDF are not used. 

Currently any PDF with text cannot be relied upon to appear correctly in Affinity Suite. I eagerly await the day when this is no longer the case, but it needs stating now.

[walt.farrell]

2 hours ago, benwiggy said:

Did you read the other thread? A member of staff says the actual words "We don't currently support PDFs with embedded fonts".

Yes, that's what he said. And based on other statements, I interpreted that as "we do not use the embedded fonts in PDF files".

They have said that you must have the matching fonts installed. If you have them, the PDF works.

They are different ways of saying the same thing, and neither phrasing says what you said, and what I objected to, "PDF import is unsupported".

PDF import is supported.
Use of embedded fonts from an imported PDF is not.

That is important, perhaps very important, perhaps even a deal-breaker for some category of Publisher user or potential users. Apparently for you. Not so much for me.

It does need to be fixed.

[benwiggy]

10 hours ago, walt.farrell said:

They have said that you must have the matching fonts installed. If you have them, the PDF works.

That doesn't work either. Even with the correct fonts installed, PDF imports don't use the correct ligatures and OpenType variants. Text objects also move. 

I'm going to offer you the compromise wording of "PDF import guaranteed for small minority of specially prepared PDFs!".