designy Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 (edited) Wenn ich den Ebeneneffekt "Schatten nach außen" mit den Farbwerten c=0, m=0, y=0, k=100% definiere und diesen im Mischmodus "Multiplizieren" ausgebe und der entstehende Schatten über einer anderen Farbe liegt, z.B. c=0, m=100%, y=100%, k=0 wird bei der Druckausgabe über PDF (egal welche Weise) der Schatten auf der untenliegenden Farbe (c=0, m=100%, y=100%, k=0) ausgespart. Dieses gravierende Fehlverhalten existiert bei allen Affinity-Produkten, also Photo, Designer und Publisher. so macht es die Programme für die professionelle Druckausgabe unbrauchbar. Edited June 27, 2019 by designy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
designy Posted July 1, 2019 Author Share Posted July 1, 2019 On 6/27/2019 at 11:56 AM, designy said: If I define the layer effect "Shadow to the outside" with the color values c=0, m=0, y=0, k=100% and output it in the blend mode "Multiply" and the resulting shadow lies over another color, e.g. c=0, m=100%, y=100%, k=0, the shadow on the underlying color (c=0, m=100%, y=100%, k=0) is omitted when printing via PDF (no matter how). This serious misconduct exists with all affinity products, i.e. Photo, Designer and Publisher. This makes the programs unusable for professional print output. Wenn ich den Ebeneneffekt "Schatten nach außen" mit den Farbwerten c=0, m=0, y=0, k=100% definiere und diesen im Mischmodus "Multiplizieren" ausgebe und der entstehende Schatten über einer anderen Farbe liegt, z.B. c=0, m=100%, y=100%, k=0 wird bei der Druckausgabe über PDF (egal welche Weise) der Schatten auf der untenliegenden Farbe (c=0, m=100%, y=100%, k=0) ausgespart. Dieses gravierende Fehlverhalten existiert bei allen Affinity-Produkten, also Photo, Designer und Publisher. so macht es die Programme für die professionelle Druckausgabe unbrauchbar. mondze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Gabe Posted July 19, 2019 Staff Share Posted July 19, 2019 Hi @designy, Sorry for the delayed reply. Can you please attach both your afdesign and the PDF so we can have a look? Thanks, Gabe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
designy Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 Hello Gabe, here are the two files. This problem occurs with the Designer as well as with the Publisher. Thank you very much for your efforts. Fahrschule Schlender Affinity-Test.pdf Fahrschule Schlender Affinity-Test.afdesign Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mondze Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 Even the font itself was rasterize what should not happen by applying shadow. I found the problem with the rasterize font. Don't use empty effects on a groups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Gabe Posted July 22, 2019 Staff Share Posted July 22, 2019 Hi both, This is expected. Layer FX are not vectors. So, any FX you apply to any objects will rasterise them. You can only have overprint black on vector shapes and not raster shapes. So, that shadow being a raster object, will be made of "CMYK" as opposed to only K, and it will be "mixed" with the colour underneath. This behaviour is expected. I'm not entirely sure why you think this is a problem, as it will print fine. Thanks, Gabe., Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
designy Posted July 22, 2019 Author Share Posted July 22, 2019 Hello, GabrielM, but multiply with an upper shadow means that the lower color is preserved, no matter if vector or pixel data! Furthermore, this looks terrible printed in sheet-fed offset. I have built the whole thing here at home in QuarkXpress and had a professional print output created, looks really good here. Furthermore, all elements in the affinity file, apart from the shadow effect, are vector data! Greetings designy German: Hallo GabrielM, aber multiplizieren bei einem obenliegenden Schatten heisst, dass die untenliegende Farbe erhalten bleibt, egal ob Vektor- oder Pixel-Daten! Weiterhin sieht das im Bogenoffset gedruckt ganz fürchterlich aus. Ich habe hier Zuhause das Ganze in QuarkXpress nachgebaut und eine professionelle Druckausgabe erstellen lassen, sieht hierbei richtig gut aus. Ferner alle Elemente in der Affinity-Datei, abgesehen vom Schatten-Effekt, sind Vektor-Daten! Gruß designy mondze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Gabe Posted July 24, 2019 Staff Share Posted July 24, 2019 On 7/22/2019 at 3:11 PM, designy said: Hello, GabrielM, but multiply with an upper shadow means that the lower color is preserved, no matter if vector or pixel data! Furthermore, this looks terrible printed in sheet-fed offset. I have built the whole thing here at home in QuarkXpress and had a professional print output created, looks really good here. Furthermore, all elements in the affinity file, apart from the shadow effect, are vector data! I see where you're coming from. That blend mode is not on the layer, but on an FX applied to that layer. FX are not supported in PDF, so they get rasterised, but the layer blend mode is still "normal" and not multiply, what you're left with now is a layer that has a shadow baked into it, with a normal blend mode. I hope this makes more sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
designy Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 Hello, GabrielM, but it's not about effects to the layer or rasterized or not at all, it's about preserving the color under the shadow effect. So, since the shadow is pure black (0,0,0,100) and I set black to overprint when exporting to PDF, the color under the shadow must be preserved. These are definitely bugs in the affinity products. The same effects in QuarkXpress or InDesign get the underlying color when output to PDF! Why not Affinity? There is no error in the PDF output! mondze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staff Gabe Posted July 24, 2019 Staff Share Posted July 24, 2019 Thanks. I've had another look and something does not seem to be right. Pixel layers do not seem to honour "overprint black" for some reason. Logged with our developers. mondze 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sg-unikate Posted July 9, 2021 Share Posted July 9, 2021 (edited) Hello, I have very similar problem. I have already tried everything when printing fonts with the layer effect "outer shadow". Converted to curves, of course, grids and trimmers or just grids. I've written every possible pdf, there are always incorrect results in the print. There is an angular field around the writing, which is either darkened or has a light background. Everything is displayed correctly in the file, but it is badly incorrect in the print. (There were never any drop shadow issues in Illustrator.) I've already learned a lot and I'm about to believe that Affinity Designer is useless for printing. Does anyone have an idea how to proceed to rule out such errors? Thanks for an answers Edited July 9, 2021 by sg-unikate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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